The Overly Excited Podcast

Alright, everyone. Welcome back to the overly excited

podcast episode number 48. My name is Dale Sullivan. I'm joined

by the suave looking human, the the corporate

property mogul, Jack. I sell houses and fit

out some offices. What?

It's great to be here, Saudi. Happy what day are we? This is coming

out Friday. So happy Friday, everyone. Thank you, mate. Thank you.

I'm running, I'm running out of, shit stats too, mate.

48. Brendan Brendan Vavola wore that before he went

to 25 at, Carlton. Don't know if you can can you beat

that? I'm pretty sure Jack Fitzpatrick

played 4:48 somewhere along the line. Oh,

very good. Dixie was, the awful

hero that for calling without the final. That that gives the big

goal from 65. Did too. Did you,

did you ever wear any, any nosebleed numbers or you're just

always, always treated to a delightful number being,

being the the rooster you are? Yeah. It was usually red carpet, lots of

stuff. Every single bit is pretty early.

Oh, now, mate,

last episode that we obviously did together, you're a bit flat.

I had a couple of people message and say, geez, a big fella is,

sound a bit flat. He's missing Alan. How are you, mate? Talk to

me, my friend. Well, I'm a bit better at close because Alan's just

been up here for 4 days, so it's been nice.

No. No. No. We'll go through our ups and downs, and it's,

moving moving to a new city and getting used to a new job and

busy, busy, busy. Leaving your family and your friends and your girlfriend

and, but life's pretty good, mate. Life's pretty

good. The weather's been turning it on up here in in

beautiful Bondi. Starting to get a handle

on work. Starting to feel pretty comfortable in there.

So, yeah, it's all it's all sort of coming together, finding a bit bit

more of a routine up here. Actually been to the gym this week, which is

good. That's always helpful. Started the comeback

run. And yeah.

Yeah. Finding finding my feet, which is

nice. Nice, mate. Glad to hear that. That's what we like to hear.

How are you going? What's happening down there? What's happening down there, mate? I've,

been quite busy. I actually had a big, regional

5 day speaking tour last week. So that was nice,

mate. See some of the beautiful countryside that, obviously, you know, you

don't you forget. Growing up in Shep, mate, it was a bit,

you know, you you forget how beautiful places like Brighton, Mount

Beauty, and, like, out the back of Albury at Lake

Hume. Yeah. So we we did a few k's in the car, mate, and, went

to some pretty remote places. So, that was really nice, mate. I've been

good. Been really good. Thank you. That's good. That's what we like to

hear. We do, mate. Now What's on the agenda? I've got a couple of

questions for you today, Jack. I thought, thought we'd go a little bit deeper

today, mate. You know? We are Yeah. Boom. Like, that's what we're gonna do.

So is there something you have done this year that you are

very proud of?

Something I'm very proud of. Well,

look, I think I'm I'm quite proud of of,

you know, how we handle all the squash stuff. Quite proud

of how I handled that as a person, and, you know, it

wasn't easy. That's for sure. Like, dealing with some of

your best mates and money's money's involved and,

you know, so I was pretty proud of how I sort of worked my way

through that. And then, obviously, I think the move, like, taking

a a a punt and, coming up for a great

opportunity. You know, I think just my attitude through it all

and, you know, wanting to give things a crack, I'm I'm pretty proud of

myself in in that sense. Oh, well done,

mate. I like that answer. I think

workplace such a big part in their lives. Even though it doesn't really

matter, but it does in a way. Particularly when, you know, you've got you're working

with friends and you've got money involved and I don't know. There's so many different

layers that, go into decisions and emotions

or feeling feelings and, you know, those connections. So, mate, I I love that

answer, and I I think you handle it very well too. So well done, buddy.

Mhmm. Yeah. I think emotions that's the key key one. Like,

when emotions get involved, it's hard to sort of, you know, a lot

of people sort of lose that, like, who they are and lose what they

want to be and, you know, allow those emotions to really

take over and and influence your decisions and how you behave

and all that kind of stuff. And that's when it can get a bit messy,

I think. 100 100%, mate. 100%. And look,

things work out. Look at you now, mate. You got the collar on. You're in

your rock and roll. Sharp. You got the

oh. You got the cricket whites on too. We got the whites on there. The

bondi cricket club. Yeah. The whites are on.

We're off into the city after this big day today, actually. A little big day.

So Very excited. What better way to start of a podcast, mate? I've

got, my one was last week, obviously,

and I'm not a control freak, but I am organized. Don't

I, Jacko? Like, I like things done well. Mhmm. So, obviously,

I've created a brand. I've created something that is pretty unique,

and I've only done it for 7 7 nearly 8 years by myself. And,

obviously, I realize now that we're growing and I can't just keep doing

it. So I've had Paul come on board and, been sort of showing

him my formula and how I do it. And he's a brilliant presenter, but I

found it, like, I'm very particular. Anyway, last week,

we're, he did his first, like, full session by himself. And I was

sitting there and it was a really weird feeling because I'm like, this

is I was like, this is mine, but then you're letting go of something. But

then I was also really proud of what I've put

together and how it works. Yeah. And probably proud to

see somebody else being out to do it and do it in their own way.

It was a really weird feeling, mate. I can't even describe it, but

at at the end, it was a nice feeling. There's there's a lot of different

emotions in, in a 2 hour period. So for

me, letting go, I think, that is something that I've been really

proud of and probably also allowing other people to,

you know, keep that sort of message and and what you've created,

to hopefully impact more people. So for me, mate, that

that was a hard one. Yeah. I can I can imagine that would have

been difficult for you? Like, you it would have been uncomfortable because

even just little things like, oh, I he could have done this or he could

have taken it this way or he could have done this. And but as you

said, like, you've you know, there's a reason you brought him on board, and there's

a reason you're growing and, you know, you can't do it all yourself. And

I think the thing with that is, like, you gotta let him do it with

his natural flair. Yes. His and how he wants to sort of put

his little spin on it, you know, for it to real for

him to feel comfortable and for him to find his rhythm. So I'm sure that

would have been an interesting little moment for you, but,

yeah. Pretty cool to get through it. It was, mate. It was. And like you

said, that's exactly right. Like, just because I do it a certain way

doesn't mean that he's right. And you don't want everyone being a carbon copy.

We're all individual for, for good reasons. You know, we have different things that we

bring to the table. And, I think that for me was something that I was

proud of. Just allowing myself to let that go and little things that

I would do doesn't mean somebody else needs to do them. And by allowing that,

watching Paul do it, I was like, wow. He's crushing it in his own

way. It's similar. We do similar, but

we don't in a way. And, I think that's that's really nice. And and

when we do present together, we really complement each other. So,

I think that as hard as that was, it's also been really nice, mate. So

Yeah. Yeah. You both bring your both both bring

different qualities to the table and and different positives and,

you know. We do, mate. We do. So,

what's the most surprising thing you've learned recently?

What is the most surprising thing I've learned

recently? What have I learned recently? And as you can tell,

listeners, these are questions that Jack had no idea about. I'm I'm putting him right

on the spot here. Yeah. You're throwing me into it.

Look. I probably I guess, like, it's funny,

like, in this last sort of week or 2, I've started or probably the last

week, actually, like, last few days just at work. Like, I've

started feeling feeling like I can be

myself and be comfortable and, you

know, be the idiot that I am, you know, like, bringing the bringing

the energy. Like, 1st few weeks, it was going in there and tiptoeing around and

trying to do the right thing, whereas I'm slowly starting to feel like I can

sort of be myself. And it's interesting, like, I've had a few

comments just from, you know, 3 or 4 people in the

office, like, just saying how much they love having me around and how much I'm

a breath breath of fresh air. And, you know, so I've probably

learned, like, you know, it's good to be

yourself. You've obviously gotta do your time and get comfortable and and

whatnot, but, you know, we all we are who we

are, and, and that's why people love us for, you know, is

for who we are. So, yeah, stay true to

that, I would say. That's what I I love that. Now did it was

that similar to when you, like, joined Melbourne or when you went to Port

Adelaide? Like, you don't just go in there with all guns blazing. Did it was

that sorta similar? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I

think a little bit. I mean, certainly Melbourne for sure,

like, because I was so young there and, like, you're going into a

new environment. You have no idea what you're doing. So, you know, that Melbourne

was definitely, like, go in and just try and put your head down and,

you know Port was a bit different. Like, when

you're, you know, 27 going into a new venue, you're sort of a bit more

comfortable with how it all works, what goes on. They all know you anyway.

So it's a bit it was a bit easier to be comfortable there and and

just be yourself. But but, yeah, Melbourne was definitely a

bit of suck and see and then, you know, try and try and get comfortable.

Well, so we're obviously the corporate geek because it is so out of

your depth, mate. You've never you've never been in construction. You've,

like, you've worked with your mates and they're in a clothing brand that you've created.

So, they've all sort of been on your terms. What,

what was that obviously, you just said you can be a little bit more of

yourself. Was there a turning point where you felt something clicked or you felt more

comfortable, or was it just a gradual progression? I think it's just

time. I think it's it's timing. Like, you know,

as I've gone in there most days and I've got to know everyone, and then

you have your little individual chats, and you sort of slowly get

to know them on a different level than just that work colleague level.

Then all of a sudden, you feel a bit more comfortable coming in and, oh,

how how what how's your weekend? And what'd you get up to here? And, you

know, whereas in the beginning, it was sort of like, you don't know any of

their names. So you're trying to you know, it's all the, the

surface level introductions and, hi, I'm Jack and, you know, really looking

forward to working here. So, yeah,

I think it's just, you know, the 3 weeks that I've been here,

timing wise, it's sort of starting to get to that point where I feel a

bit comfortable. Now I'd like to I'd like to start bringing in some work, and

that would make me even feel more comfortable. If I could actually make some But,

but, yeah, I think just with each individual, it's just, you know, creating,

you know, it takes time to create those bonds and to create the trust and

the and the relationship. So it's just giving yourself that time to

get there, and then then you can sort of open up a bit.

Mhmm. I know people probably get sick of me saying this, but connection for content,

my friend. So important. The water cooler moments,

mate. It's a cliche thing, but, I just

think so many people I see come in particularly hear about

it in organizations or schools or workplace or sports teams.

They don't have that connection before they'd start trying to make changes.

Yeah. You you can't do anything if people don't trust you or like you. If

you don't feel safe, they're not gonna let you dip their guard down. And, you

know, 3 weeks, mate, I think that shows, the sort of person you are

and how good you are at building relationships because that's not a long time, mate.

Some people might say 3 months or 6 months. You've got in 3 weeks, you

bloody rooster. No. But you're you're so

you're so right. Like, even if you don't have that connection,

like, even no matter what you do, they're gonna pick holes in it and they're

gonna because they don't they're not on board with you sort of things. You know

what I mean? So I think it's it's such a good point. Like, you really

do need to create that trust first,

before you start, you know, puffing and puffing around.

A 100%, mate. 100%. My thing that, I've

learned, Rachel. I know you were probably you were telling me this for a while,

but, it's okay to have a rest morning.

You don't need to get up at 4:30 every morning, Dale, and go to the

gym. And this morning, Jack, do you know what? I've had a big week. I

worked late last night. My alarm went off 4:30, and I didn't

get up. There you go. So Woo hoo.

Was done. How did you feel? How did you feel now? Well, mate, I don't

have bags under my eyes for the first time in, probably 3

years. I actually look I look in the mirror as well that jeez, are you

looking alright? Hey. I didn't have to check my luggage in to, come

into the office this morning because I didn't have my passport. My my baggage

was gone. That's

good, mate. You know, that's the thing. Sometimes the rest is much more

beneficial than grinding away, you know, and I think that's the

I think we sort of fight with that because, you know, obviously, we think, oh,

everyone so many other people just rest, rest, rest. Too much rest.

But, you know, it can go the other way too, and sometimes you do just

need to give your body just that little bit of time to relax

and, you know, shut down and take care of yourself and get

and I mean, sleep is the absolute key to everything, I

think. It is. So, you know, if you can get more sleep,

I think it's a pretty good option most of the time. 100%, mate. I

I I had that one in there because I knew you'd appreciate it. Do you

have any guilty little pleasures? Like, I do. Like, every time

I hate going to the supermarket. Like, I hate it. Like, it is

so every time I go there, I'm allowed to get a aero KitKat. Like,

that every time. Not negotiable, mate. Like, every time even if

I'm with the boys and they want a chocolate, no. They're not getting one, but

I'll sit in the car and eat my Aero KitKat. Is there just something like

that where you just reward yourself for doing something you hate? Because I I

just do not enjoy it one bit. But then I'm like, oh, like,

aero Kit Kat. Says, oh, young little kid, Dale, you're

allowed an aero chocolate chip. There's no permission. There's no permission,

but she looks in his Chevy drives in a car and looks in the side

door and has to be had 10 arrow Kit Kat packets.

Guilty guilty pleasure.

Look,

I think, like I mean, for me, guilty pleasure is certainly like

is like eating, you know. When if I sit down at night

ready to to watch the TV and and, like, if Alan and

I had dinner and then we're watching a show or something, I

almost can't sit down and watch without having some sort of, you know,

treat snack. What's a treat? So What what what's

your treats? Well, I mean, as you say aero chocolate,

and you say, like, one just one little bar, like, I'm polishing off a,

you know, a block comfortably, very comfortably.

But other than that, I mean, Tim Tams, my big one, salt and

vinegar snack, delights. Do you have you ever had those? No. I

haven't, Jacko. Talk to me. Salt and Vinegar delights. So it's they're

about dollar 50 a box, and they just they got so

much flavoring on them. So I chuck it in, suck the flavoring off, turn the

thing around in my mouth, suck the flavoring off, and then I

and then I chow down. But, there's so much,

like, vinegar, I think, that it, like, burns your tongue if you have too much

on it. You gotta be careful with that.

Other than that, guilty pleasures?

I can really only think of of food at the moment, but,

because everything else is pretty structured, really. Pretty regimented,

but but, yeah, the food the food's the big one. I like,

I like the way you described how you you ate it as well. And there's

a reason, Jack, I only buy a bar because if

I, if I buy a block on the same, mate.

So Gone. Gone. See you later. Where'd that go? As long as a

hole in the packet. It's like salami. I like salami as well. You go

and get I get I get a salon, like, 2, 300 grand

salami, but I'll eat it in, like, a day. And I'm like, oh, nice meat,

but there's that's a lot of fat. Yep. Yep. Yep.

No. I'm the same on that on that front. You get those big,

well, what do they look like? They are the big sorta The big

what the heck? Oh, this is

a pot cut. That's very good, though, Jack. Oh, for my interest, I

I thoroughly enjoyed your reference there. That, so

salami's meat jacket cut up, that

you hate. But, no. I like that. Now, mate, I am, I'm an

assistant supporter as you know. And, and we won't talk

about the season, but that's alright. Tyson Apple obviously recently

retired and very, very humble

person that did a lot for other people. When you were playing

footy, mate, were there things that, you know, like, do you remember

things that you did to help people out? Or was there one one thing where

you you went above and beyond to I don't know. Not not

for sick kids or anything, but was there something you did that was just super

kind that, you know, you you remember that made you feel, like,

amazing?

Look. I think nothing like no one thing really

stands out in particular, but, you know, I think

probably just the way that I that I treated, you know, the the

fans of the the Melbourne Footy Club especially because I was obviously there for a

long time and and early days, you know, I was,

there was a bit of interest around me. So there was a lot of them

that sort of Really? Enjoyed and and and enjoyed me. So I

think, like, it's the you know, for me to give them all

as much time as I possibly could and treat them with respect rather

than, you know, I think a lot of guys can sort of come in these

days and, you know, it's sort of like and I you

totally get it. I mean, there's there's some fans that are, you know,

sometimes it's almost like we can't understand

how they think that footy is so important and footy is their life, you know.

And it's like, oh, that's a bit weird, but that's, you know, that's them and

that's how much they love it and that's how much they love the team. And,

you know, footy clubs are run on their fans. So you sort of some

guys take that for granted and and, you know, probably

treat them with a bit of contempt whereas I I, you know, I don't think

I ever ever did that. And, you know, I think it was sort of when

I got traded and the and the way that I got, you know, the the

amount of feedback and, the amount of

people that were reaching out saying, you know, that they

it's the worst decision the club's ever made, blah blah blah.

You know, that sort of spoke volumes to me of of, and made

me pretty proud of how I held myself and treated people along

the journey even though when it even when it was tough and it wasn't a,

you know, super fun journey and, you know, I still treated people

well, hopefully. Oh, that's, that's very

nice, mate. I think that not only shows the person you are, but that's flown

into all aspects of your life. I would it relates back to, obviously, what we're

talking about at the start, mate. You know, with the the new role and making

those connection with people, it doesn't doesn't matter where you are. The your

time and being present with those people, it's so important. Do you know what I

mean? Like, we're so distracted these days and you can be with somebody

talking to them, but you can be somewhere else. And I think that just shows,

you know, like you were with supporters or now you knew your colleagues or people

you're working with or you're trying to sell offers fit out. It doesn't matter. It's

the same thing. Yep. Yeah. It is. It definitely is. And

and you can tell when someone's not completely engaged in a conversation with you, can't

you? And they don't really care what you're talking about. They don't really

sort of asking, but, you know, I'd like to think that that's sort of one

of one of the things I enjoy doing is getting deep with people and

really understanding who they are and what makes them tick and what they

love in life and what they're passionate about. And, you know, I actually can

say that, you know, I really enjoy that personally,

finding out about other people. So, it makes it a lot

easier to do it. Does, Jacko. It does, mate. And you are an authentic human

being, a beautiful one as well with your cricket whites on today. You do look

sharp. I tell you what, you're gonna have a good day. Or I can already

tell. You've got a peppy to your step, my friend, then you got a smile

on your face. It's it's nice to see. You're a bit flat last time, I'll

be honest. And the sun's out, mate. And the sun's out. I've got the

blinds closed so that we don't but look at this.

Oh, so bad. Oh my god. That is I might

just cut the budgie smugglers on and go down for a quick swim. Oh,

mate. Man, there's, obviously, where where you live and where I

live, it's very close to each other and we're pretty close to the beach, you

know, about a 6, 7 minute walk. Is it are you

happier actually living on the beach? Because there's so

much there's evidence around if you can see water, like, you're

20% happier or something. It it Kerrigan, that's true? I think it

is. Yeah. I think I don't know about 20%, but I think,

you know, I go to bed at night and I can like, the waves you

can just hear the waves out the back. Wow. You know, in the

mornings, like, I've started getting to the gym. So my first thing in the morning

is get out, have a shower, walk straight down. I'm just walking on

on the ocean, you know, while there's a 100 people getting out and

going for a run and walking their dog, and then there's bunch of people in

there surfing, and I walk down to the gym, you know, and I as the

sun's coming up. So it's pretty, you know, it's pretty special way to live.

That's amazing, mate. It's and it also obviously, the beach

where we live, it's a bay, you know, it's flat. You like, walking along, and

it's pretty pretty dull. Like, it's not I spent walking along Bondi,

mate. Like, it's one of the most iconic beaches in the world. It's amazing.

It's pretty special. We're jumping in there. A little body surf in the morning.

Sun sort of comes up right behind our apartment. So as I'm walking down, you

look back, and the sun's just coming up. It's it's pretty epic. Yeah.

So, I think that just like, you you know

I mean, first world problems, but, like, where we live in Edithvale, it's sort

of like as you said, that's probably a 10 minute walk down there. And it

just sort of, you know, sometimes it's like, oh, do do I have the

10 minutes there, 10 minutes to muck around, and then 10

minutes to come back? Maybe not. But here, I've got, you know, it's

30 seconds down, and I'm in the water. So it's

it just sort of takes away any, excuses, I guess.

Well, mate, if you've had blues for moving away from Melbourne, you just showed me

why you shouldn't. That view, oh, sorry about eating your salami,

mate. Give me more views of that anytime you like.

I did have salami in the fridge yesterday, but I ate it all last night.

There you go. It's a guilty pleasure. We didn't even know. Mate,

episode 48. Brent and Vohla. Didn't like the number, but you went to 25.

I like the number. I like 48. I've enjoyed today, and good to chat

to you, my friend. You too, mate. Did you see did you see the oldies

the, state of origin down at, Josh's Patty?

No. Oh, it's like all the old has beens, and Campbell Brown

took a big hanger on this poor bloke. I think it was last night, maybe.

Oh, what they what did they like, was it on TV? It was like it

was like State of Origin. I think it might have been like a fundraiser or

something like that. Like, Mark Murphy and, you know,

who else was down there? Brad Johnson played and Did you get a

did you get a call? The. Yeah. I got the call up, mate, but,

obviously, you know, you get bigger things bigger.

That's good, mate. Can we Looking at your relevance, you know? Before I

go, can we just talk about your beloved bombers? Oh, right. Righto.

Yes. We can. Mate, so what they've missed out by a percentage. Is that

right? Yeah. Percentage. I think it was it was a

like, 2 points for a game or something like that. I didn't go too much

into it, mate. We missed out. We missed out. Okay. So you missed

out. So I I thought you were sort of premiership favorites at at

about round 8 or 9, were you? Oh, I don't know. Did you say that?

I don't think I was saying that. No. I think it was backed around the

league. Yeah. That's not me saying it though. I'm I'm well

aware of I'm well aware of the baggage that, is is

coming with the team and what we have. Yeah. Probably not

the most ideal way to finish the season, but, yeah. Who

who knows? It's a anyone could win it this year, mate. Obviously obviously,

I'll back this in, but I like just good games. I'm gonna go next Friday

night to see, Hawks, Bulldogs. I think that'll be the best

final. I I can't wait to see that, mate. I I'm actually disappointed that both

those sides are playing each other in the first final because Yeah. Yeah.

I love watching both of them. Hawks what have the Hawks

done? Like, their whole social media and and,

you know, just their standing in the league has changed within a 12

month period because now they're just the cool, young,

trash, epic kids who have and I don't I just

yeah. I don't know. Their their media team needs, needs a promotion,

I think. I think, they're just allowing it to have

fun. Like, and and that's I think that's what's coming across. Like, they are having

fun doing what they're doing. I it sort of reminds me a couple of years

ago of Collinwood, you know, when they were sort of young as on it. When

you don't have any expectations or pressure really because, let's be honest, I was

0 on 5 at the start of the season. Like, who would have thought they

would even come close to finals? People are saying Sam Mitchell's shouldn't be

a coach, but they've just continued doing what they were doing and having fun,

and it's bloody refreshing. Like, it's so good to see.

And I think, like, Sam Mitchell, that little sort of arrogant

confidence, you know, swagger that he's got is probably permeating

through the group, isn't it? And they're all they're all pretty confident and having fun

doing it. And when you're happy and you're having fun and you're confident, good

things happen. So So true, mate. So true. What what do we

let's talk about you're not talking about the bombers. Talking about Melbourne, mate. What's,

surely, you they might be calling you back up to, have a rough rampage.

The big exodus. Well, that's

Oh god. Who knows, mate? Who knows? I feel like,

I feel like big traffic is just making a bit of a statement. You know?

I think it all makes sense, like, how it all

happened and how it all went down. Like, I think we spoke about it at

the time saying, like, it was I found it very strange that

the club came out and said that they did everything perfectly. Like

Yeah. Injury. Like, they said that they, you know, they wouldn't

have changed how how they handled it. I'm like, are you joking? Like, they

could've gone But they didn't own it. Yeah. Exactly. Own it. Like

and so if I was him and if I was his parents and if

I was his fiancee, like, I'd be annoyed too, like, when they're coming out and

and not taking any responsibility for, you know, sending a

guy back out there with a punctured lung and a, you know, broken rib

and all the rest of it. So Oh, he nearly died, mate. Like, that like,

seriously nearly died, and he was back out in the field. And anyone

watching that knew that he wasn't right. He could hardly stand up, let alone

go for a contest. Yeah. Yeah. So, you

know, I think there's just little things in how they've handled it that aren't aren't

great, and that and that lack of accountability is probably fighting them in the ass

a bit. So but, you know, I I sort of fully expect, like,

they'll have a huge pre season. They'll get clarity fit. Gorny will come in

fine fit. Did I say Pickett wants to

leave? I did hear that. I I did hear

that, but I don't Who knows? The mate that that's the thing with the

media. Like, it was bad when you were playing, but now there's so much this

fake news and clickbait shit. Like Yeah. I don't. You

don't know if something's true or not. Like, you got no idea.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Hence why I just don't watch it. Yeah,

mate. Well, that's it. It's a good way to be. Well, Jack o, mate. It's,

been a pleasure. Episode 48. Thanks for bringing out the bombers. I'd sort of moved

on from that, but that's okay. You go and enjoy your day, great man.

And listeners, have a cracking Friday.

See you.