The Overly Excited Podcast

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things that get them jumping out of their seats.

Alright, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast episode number 45 of the

overly excited podcast. My name is Dale Sobel, joined by the 1 and

only Jack Lawrence. How are you, big boy? Good, mate. What a beautiful morning. Big

guest, I think. Big guest. 40 5. They say in podcast world

that they save the biggest guest you have for the first 100 for number

45. I've been told that along the way anyway. Now,

Rich, before I introduce you, mate, thank you for coming on the show today. You've

obviously been an AFL superstar. I feel a bit inadequate here. Couple of those

in the room. I was picking the 2 up and kept swans. So I'm a

superstar very likely to do that. Also, and this is the 1 we're

very excited about. You're becoming known as the world's number 1

mindset activation expert for sports teams, coaches, and athletes

around the world. Welcome to the show, Rich Maloney. Great to be here, Dale. Thanks,

Jack. And how's your mind going? Mate, when we see you walk in, the sun's

out in Melbourne. I'll tell you what, and it's episode 45 of

TikTok. We like to start the episode with a little

bit different. Not just how are you, but what gets you excited, Rich? Like, what

gets that blood gurgling excited, jumping out of your seat, running out

of bed in the morning? Well, life itself does these days. So it

has for a while, but honestly, I I have a job where I love what

I do, and I've got hundreds of clients around the world and seeing their

responses on WhatsApp every morning, seeing them transform, change, activate

their lives really lights me up. And then I just go from

there. Rich, how like, obviously playing

footy, this all this, you know, amazing stuff came after footy.

How much did you use this stuff during your career and how much do you

look back and go, shit. I wish I had all this knowledge while I was

playing. I didn't use any of it Because I didn't know it. Yeah.

Oh, I absolutely didn't know it. I was, that kid who was always gonna get

drafted and the real hard pick. You know, up until on the fifteens, which is

about 1 every award there was. And then security got got a

hold of me and, I went to shit. You

got drunk. You got drunk. Peter, you too could have a little bit of

We've got some nice little similarities because I I sort of think the same thing.

It's like, fuck. If I could put my 32 year old, 33 year old brain

in my 18 year old body, it'll be a different story. But, yeah.

I'm just interest like, what what kind of when you went in there, were you

disciplined? Were you hardworking? Blah blah blah. Or was it a bit like, you know,

seeing how we go and Yeah. Great question. Well, quite simply is

I was a rogue runaway rogue. Like I got kicked out of Cubs, that

sort of guy. Found the footy easily and

didn't need to work hard. But as you know, when you get to the big

league, you know, you've got a, you're, you're up against it. And,

when I went to the saints, I didn't realize the caliber and I'm tagging

halves and these sort of guys, and I just, I didn't have a great mental

foundation. And then once the pressure goes on, my body started to crack and my

mind started to crack. My parents separated. All hell broke loose. And I

was like, what in god's name is going on here? And then I really hit

the skids. Mhmm. But it was a it was a really hard,

growing up. I mean, I got asked to leave me in time grandma. I went

to another school. They asked me to leave that within a couple of weeks. You

know, my wife was pretty rugged. So then I I piece it

together after that, Jack, and and that's where the story begins. Yep. Yep. So

with with that VFL journey, because obviously, like so many, you know,

your whole life was dictated to by and obviously been

excelling. You know, you obviously didn't have to work that hard. You sort of knew

what was going to happen for you. When that is all taken away from you

Yeah. What like, what is that like? Because a lot of people, you know You

know. Yeah. Well, Jack, we've spoken to me this a bit, but a lot of

people are lost in life and because they don't know their purpose. Whereas Yeah. Both

of you, your purpose was destined at a very young age, and people,

like, looked up to you and they would tell you how good you were, but

then all of a second, it's gone. Mhmm. What's that like? It's a

huge identity crash, and you're not equipped for it. And I mean, I

when I hit the skids there, they they gave me Timmy Peek and then he

was a player slash learning psychologist back in the day. And he did his

best. And then I went to another psych after that, and I couldn't quite figure

it out. And yeah. So I grabbed the surfboard, the red heeler dog,

made sure my mom was alright because the family is separated, which is a huge,

huge, another identity shift for a family collective. And I just went

surfing around Australia playing footy, and, I had to put the pieces of the puzzle

together. And, I grew up really

quickly then. It took me 3 years to recover from that. I mean, I was

in a in a world of hurt. And then my then on my I went

for a bit of a, you could say, I traveled to the Gold Coast, play

out there at Southport, and had the red heeler dog, Jack.

And I just went to go and hang out with myself because I've I was

getting in fights a lot and I was punching on. It was just mayhem.

And so I had to leave my mates behind. And, and then, I went into

I started to study, the mind and it was the only thing I was passionate

about. Because in school, I couldn't give a shit. Yep. You know, sport, hanging

out with mates, doing what you need to do to get through. I would have

been diagnosed with ADD back in the day, but there's no such thing.

Yeah. You know? Because I couldn't, you know, get through a class without pissing

someone. Yeah. Sounds

very You're in the right mood. Sounds

very similar. You're in the right room. Sounds very similar. You're a pure report card

to the executives. It doesn't I don't think we're made to sit. I mean, like,

seriously, why do we just sit in and like Oh, Dan's very passionate. Don't get

him started on this rant. I'm so passionate about this. Like, honestly, that's not

your fault. The way you're being taught is not the right way. Yeah, mate. Why

are we supposed to sit down all day? Not only that. You know, growing up

at they sent me to grammar at grade 4, went to and then I

got caned and and strapped and, you know, I'm talking seriously caned week after

week, you know, with with a whacking cane.

And my name over the speakers, everyone was used to it. Mine is the head

of headmaster's office. Not for good reasons. I couldn't sit by

that. Like, even reading a book was difficult, you know. So everything I do now

with quality mind, there's no paper. It's all technology. It's all

activation. It's all get your hands dirty. Mhmm. And that's why I

learned. Yep. But back then, you know, we were using

fountain pens, mate. I'm 49. What the fuck?

You really need to explain what a fountain pen is. It's not something in the

garden. Hey. I don't wanna explain that. It's a it's a nightmare thing about those

things. There's no caves here. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're

so lucky. Anyway.

Yeah. So, so that's the experience. Right? Then I was lost.

I was completely lost. But, and then you get to the big league and then

you you know, it'll, when you're under pressure, you're really fanned out as a

person. You know? You or the have built that that foundation

from a young age, which really comes down to a lot of leadership, you know,

and going through tough times as a kid can help. But if you haven't got,

the belief in yourself and all those sorts of things, you're in no man's land.

Yeah. So that's what I do with AFL players and people around athletes around the

world and plus 100 of people who's helped them build a really firm firm foundation,

reprogram the way they operate. And it's bloody good fun. How they think

about themselves and talk to themselves and yeah, because and I find it

interesting like when no matter how prepared you think you are

for when it finishes and when you leave, like, I tried to get as prepared

as I could and, you know, study and you'd speak to a lot of people.

Oh, yeah. It's tough when you leave. And so, you know, you're expecting it and

you're and you're think you're ready for it. Those first couple of years, it's

you you're absolutely, lost really. And no matter what you've

done or, you know, even if you walk straight into another job or if you've

been given this opportunity, it's your whole life has shifted and the

routine's completely different. You're no longer getting looked after and

all the rest of it. It's bloody hard to, to manage. And you are a

long lot more than white, 10 times more than I was, mate. And so, you

know, that's it's a significant life moment when especially when you're getting the media

scrutiny and, and not only that you're beating shit out of your own self. Yeah.

Just a moment. And that and that's as you said, like, that's the thing that

took me a long time was to sort of get back to, you know, like,

I was similar to you. I reckon, like, maybe not quite as rough and, you

know, growing up, but 1, everything was the best, you know,

and you're just getting told your whole life you're amazing. You're amazing. And then you

get to the big leagues and you shit. You shit. You're no good for 10

years. Mhmm. It's hard to, like, get out of that rut and

get back to saying, you know what? You're actually you you're a good person.

You work hard. You blow when you've been told for 10 years that you're shit.

Yeah. So that was sort of the big thing for me. And you probably you

wouldn't be able to hide. No. You know, where I could. I've been done up.

I mean, that's for a lot of players. I don't piss off overseas. Get out

of the limelight. But, well, you've done well now, buddy. Yeah. Well You know? You

know? We're getting there. You got a hole in your face, Jacko. It's all good.

At the end of the day, mate, I think that's a big thing. Yeah. So

with that, Rich, I'm really it's funny how you're in the right place

at the right time and you you make your own luck. I'm a big believer

in that. So, obviously, you said you're up playing footy at Southport, you had your

dog jack, you're surfing. Finding yourself out, you started, like,

looking into your mind and so forth like this. What what's that process like

and how long did it take to you figure out that you were onto

something? Yeah. Great question. So, yeah, on the journey up so

the journey continued for many, many years. I reckon I went on a bit of

a spiritual awakening for about 15 years. And I didn't know it

was actually that, but I was just figuring out because there was a few times

when I was 16, 17, I was gonna knock myself. I remember the tree. I

remember that I had the the rope ready. It was a pretty significant time. I

bolted out of the house to get ready to do it, and I stopped myself.

And then we got asked to leave the 2nd school in 2 weeks, so I

contemplated again. So I was in a bit of a hole. So that that so

then I ducked off to Queensland as I mentioned, and I actually started, I just

went and saw I looked I wanted a mentor. I needed someone that could actually

guide me. And I found this old spiritual dude who was really deep into this

space, and he completely revamped the way I process in my life and gave

me a a mind expansion sort of 2 year catch up for coffee

every probably 3 weeks. And that helped me significantly to

dive into quantum physics, understanding because I was never a fan of

religion, you know, but understand there's more to it. There's some sort of energy

behind the the soul that we live in and and and what all that's about.

And and so I was just going from that. I was actually going to group

meditations. At the same time, I was playing at Southport, and I'm an enforcer sort

of player and I'm punching on for fun, you know. And I'm meditating in

groups on Thursday. 2 different 2 different hats. Yeah. 2

so then I just kept uncovering things. I was reading a lot of books in

that I cared about and, fell in love with. And they're just everyday books on

life. And then what happened after that? I just

kept learning, keep speaking, keep and then I I build a,

I traveled to South by Subiaco footy club and and captain

that club over there, which finished my career. So I was still on this journey,

but it was just unpacking it. But when you open your mind to

becoming better, things just flood into you. If you closed off, then

you closed off. And it just started to fell in my fall in my lap.

And then, what happened was it just all all of a sudden I

started to see systems in how to help how to help high

performance teams. So I'd sort of build a business around

that, helping heaps of clubs around Australia,

systemize culture really quickly. I realized that

Australia was too small. That that kicked off. Off. We won 50 premierships.

So I'm sort of fast tracking this, but and then then I built that into

the business world around the world, partnered with a billionaire in a in

or sort of a billionaire in America and the company blew up.

And so my my mind was finally cracking into

how to help organizations and people systemize and

activate their businesses or their minds, in a unique

different way that was easy and palatable when not wasn't woo woo. Does that make

sense? Yeah. So it just sort of unpacked itself, but there's a lot more to

it. And the journey just kept going, but I was still drinking beers on the

weekend and carrying like a pork chop. But I'd pulled my head in a lot.

I stopped blowing. I started being kind to myself. I was then using

the processes and tools that I was given, and I started to really kick in.

And I started to see my life really far up. It's like shit, it's

working for me. Then I systemize what I was doing and then I basically

built 2 businesses out of it. Mhmm. Wow. What what was some of the, the

key things that you would bring into a business

or or a team that, you know, in terms of culture,

fostering that really positive culture, are there some key sort of

elements that you bring you bring in? Yeah. It's a systemized 12 or full

season program. So, so every business or

every footy team, they need to have a heart. Like there needs

to be a really care connection and ownership. So really work with the

leadership group to start with. So I was given the role as the western bulldogs

leadership coach 1 year because that's the acaman has put leading teams in the

in the misery. So I got the gig. Yeah.

Took me handstands. Yeah. Took me handstands. But

just just getting the leaders highly connected accountable,

getting them to build relationships throughout, getting them to share stories about

their lives, hold them accountable to leadership acts on the

field, assessing their leadership, more

in terms of, you know, just supporting each other and making

sure that folks are picked up off the ground. You know, that's the basic stuff,

but absolutely building a new habit in it. So once you build a new habit

in the team, it actually permeates out. And all of a sudden, everyone's doing

it. Mhmm. Yeah. And so, basically, in a footy team in particular, you know, the

this the way the the out of all the supremacists I've won, there's 3

types of people in an organization. There's like when a new player comes to the

club and and you would have seen this, they come to the

club. They don't know what to expect. You know, how do people behave? How

do they act? And so they go from a a shape,

like, coming into the herd into either a me person or a we

person. Right? So if they come into a me person looking

after themselves, which you naturally sort of do as a new recruit because you wanna

get a game, and that becomes the norm, then that

club won't succeed. Mhmm. No. Like, out of all the premierships, it really come down

to how many people are are we, we're all in together, and me.

And so the goal is just to get as everyone into we Yeah. As quickly

as we can. And so we're getting them in there between 8 12 weeks, and

we're seeing clubs turn around from bottom of the ladder, the premiership premiership teams.

And and because a lot of players in footy clubs and businesses, they're just they're

dormant. They're asleep. They're not activated because their heads get in the way. Their

attitudes and behaviors stink. And if you got a

majority of those people, you're not gonna it's not gonna permeate through. Does it does

that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Especially if the people at the top running the show

have that attitude. Like, I I find that's what you really need is

the the guys at the top need to be driving it. Because I think,

when I've been I've been a lot around a lot of sort of, you know,

unsuccessful clubs and probably poor attitudes. Yeah. And it's like 1

thing to say it because I feel like every club now is saying the same

thing. Like, we gotta be connected. We gotta be it's a team game,

team got, you know, all this stuff. Yeah. But to actually

create that genuine care for for your

club, for your performance, for your teammates. Yeah. That's the that's the

difficult part. It's easy to say. Yeah. But it's hard to get it to,

yeah, to sort of permeate through the whole team. So That's it. Yeah. That's They

say it. Right? They say it. So that was the goal is words are

speechless, you know, acted. So so the best teams have a critical mass

of leaders. Yeah. So I I run a program. It's quite interesting at the

bulldogs in my 3rd year. So the 1st year I had the leadership group, which

was coons and all that. And Boydy and Gia and

and those sort of characters, legend blokes. He go. And then I had

a second year, I had the leisure with the emerging leadership group. And the 3rd

year I had the whole club. And I had the coaches each week too. So

Randy's program was pretty full on. Like, I was ballsy to run

it. You gotta be ballsy though. But I had Brenda McCartney sign off on

it. So basically what we did in an essence over a 32 week period.

And Benny Graham. Remember Benny Graham in in NFL NFL?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was supporting me in this.

So I basically said to all the players, here's a sheet of paper. Alright. There's

44 names on there. Go away. Don't let anyone know. But we had

5 behaviors, you know. Honesty, fun, accountable,

all these sort of things that they chose. And this is the culture that we're

building. And they'd go away in the corner, and I'd they'd have to

circle the player on players on that list who actually

live and breathe those 5 behaviors all the time. And so then I'd come back

the next day. I had all the numbers, all the stats, and I'd put a

bar chart on how many out of 42 were given 5 out of 5 on

behaviors. Right. And hardly anyone. And so then we put strategies in

place every 8 weeks. I'd come back and do the same thing. And so we

gave them the tools. We gave them the environment to connect and to no 1

knows who they're voting for. So if you got no votes, obviously no

1 voted for it. If you got 5 votes, there's 5 people in here that

nominated me as that. And so then the goal was to keep so you'd have

to keep going around You're trying to. And just try to build lashes and get

out sort of comfort zones. Be accountable. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a real it's a

real nail dropper for people that who've been there 5, 6 years and no 1

no 1 voted for them. Like, we had to really manage the egos on this

1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So a lot of support was put in, and then

you go back week 8. And then the numbers started to really grow, You know?

And there was 10 that had, you know, 5 out of 5. Then there was,

like, 5 who had not 4 out of 5. And and there's still

a half loose that had nothing. So then we go to,

week 24 and these sort of things, and it started to really grow. And you

could actually walk in the club and hear the chatter and the voice and the

communication and the friendships building. And then by week 32, we had, you

know, probably 35 33 players, 5 out of 5.

And this is a year before they won flag. Yeah. Do you know what I

mean? I got sacked that year. Yeah. You know, Brendon is like, mate, we've had

enough. It's like, oh, he goes, I'll take I can't can't give you the insides,

but, you know, putting Griff on as captain, I disagreed with a few things. But

and so and so that was the sort of stuff we did. But the connection,

you're talking about what we do, the connection, the honesty,

and then, and then being accountable to,

bring your game. Don't just come and play footy. Come and meet blokes, come and

get to know blokes and, and tell us about your hard

times, that sort of stuff. So that is sort of that's human character. At its

best. I love that. 1 of the big things, doesn't matter who I'm working with,

Rich, on the same connection before content. That is all I talk about.

Because in the day, doesn't matter if you 2 are the best footballers in the

room. If you're assholes, no 1 wants to be on your team. Yeah. Alright. Or

if you're not a good person, someone doesn't wanna be around you. Yeah. It's a

very simple concept. Yeah. But it it sort of seems that I

don't know if COVID's changed the people's perception or how we treat people, but

Yeah. It just goes back to that foundation of relationships. Exactly. And

that's what all you did Mhmm. To build that program. You did it in a

pretty harsh way Yeah. But that's probably the only way it would have happened. Well,

I had to sign off from them, and I knew it would work. They just

had to hold on. But the other thing that really blew up and the

the bi week, would have been maybe 14 g and Boyd and

and the guys goes, why aren't the coaches doing this? Mhmm. Because he could they

could sense disenfranchisement with the relationships there. And I said, well, I'm not going there

with that 1. What do you wanna get sacked all the time?

It gets better. And then I said, you go and figure that 1 out. So

they went in there and said, well, you gotta do it. Yeah. It was what?

13 coaches or something. And, reluctantly, they

did. And and it was, it wasn't a good meeting. Mhmm. You

know, we're not to put the numbers up for that 1. And I had people

in the car park saying, Rich, you sure this is confidential? Like, man, I'm gonna

get me asking for that. And, and so,

anyway, can't give too much away because it's a lot of confidential in

this, but, put it this way, it it I don't think it finished that program

with the coaches, but the players fully emerged into it, and,

credit to them. So that's how we sort of go about it. But but everyone's

gotta be in it. Right? And, ironically, I mean, that

coaching staff didn't survive too much longer. Yeah. How's that interesting?

Well, they and that's what I was gonna say. Like,

I guess it's a great way if you if you can sort of create,

like, in a positive way, like, okay, let's get everyone up. And but

when when you start sort of, alright, we've got 30 blogs, then 10 of you,

what what are you 10 doing? And you're sort of singling them out. Like, you

only get no votes. They're obviously gonna get shitty. And it sounds

like same with the coaches. Like, that's what happened. Like, if some if, you know,

2 of the coach, 3 of the coaches, all of a sudden, they're not getting

the votes, they're gonna go, oh, fuck this. Like, I don't wanna you know? And

then it creates a bit of, you know, it's such a fine line

between creating division and bringing everyone together and

making it a positive thing. Yeah. Well, you think they would have seen the results

of what's happening out there with their players. Mhmm. Right? But but as you know,

when they're ex ex elite athletes in a coaching role, there's

a lot of ego. Yeah. You know, and I'm a change agent. I'm a change

manager. So I had to be careful as hell. Yeah. And,

and when you're dealing with old heads who have done a 102 100, 300 games,

you know, it's, it's Hard as hell. And that that's what I

that's what I hate about it so much. Yeah. It's like, it's like

and I think it's changing a lot now, but just the egos in the

coach, like, in so many coaches and stuff. It's all from memory, Jack? Oh

my god. No. Shit. I know. Get the shakes. Thinking

about it at the moment. Get the cane out.

This is no word of luck. I remember, like, you know, we'd we did all

these, you know, the, personality tests and, like, they're

coming in saying, like, we know you're all you're all completely different. Like, I can't

fucking sit down and I'm not I'm not like but I bring the

energy. I bring this. I bring that. And, you know, so the coaches are coming

in saying, we know you're all different. So we're gonna let you know, we're gonna

treat you differently. We're not gonna just treat you the same because Yeah. But

then they they do it because we had all, you know, a big mix of

different personalities within the within the playing group. The coaches

did the same thing. So this is like sounds similar. It's

like 90 our head coach 99% enforcer.

Yeah. Every single person that he had brought into the club,

enforcer, enforcer, enforcer, enforcer, enforcer. Yeah.

And and yet on this little mozzie fucking flying around, like, needs

needs to cuddle, needs love. And then he's they're just going your

shit. Just fucking be hard. Like, why alright. That's

not the like, And so they talk all this bullshit in front of the people

who are coming in to run the programs, but they don't live it and that's

what I'm, you know, they're not genuine about it because they're they are who they

are, you know. Yeah. I didn't give 2 sheets to that personality profile, to be

frank with you. Yeah. Because you are what you are. Yeah. And, like, how many

premierships have been won out there for, you know, it's semi professional

level and I wouldn't have a bloody clue. Yeah. All I did is just film

a a critical mass of leaders, make a great environment. Everyone gives a shit about

each other and they love what they do. Yep. You know? But they can overcook

it at the top end. Yeah. Exactly. There's so many coaches, so much to say,

and then some of the egos to deal with. But, you know, there's still some

great coaches. I've got a good mate, Sammy Redford out at Melbourne now, and he's,

he's working his way up. He's been outstanding, you know. So he's worked his way

up as a non a AFL player, but certainly got credentials at,

at community footing. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's it doesn't I don't think it

matters if you have played at the top level. It comes down to the qualities

you have. Is that something you found? Obviously, being in the system

gave you that leg in, but then coming in and dealing with big

egos when you're trying to make change. Mhmm. Like, was that hard?

Particularly when you're trying to establish yourself. I'm guessing that wouldn't have been

easy. Well, at that time, my company started to really blow up around the

world. So, I mean, I coach coaches now. That's what I

and I'd once the bulldogs experience finished, I really didn't wanna get back into team

sport because you're working weekends. Yeah. And a lot of

the sort of stuff. So I now work with individuals. I applies in a mental

level as opposed to culturally To get me back into a club now culturally, it'd

have to be a way really good wage. Do you know what I mean? But

my time's now more important. So I traveled the world, after the

bulldogs. It's funny how that chapter ended and very quickly a new chapter and I

literally trained up nearly 700 coaches in 25 countries traveling the

world with a translator. Mhmm. You know, from Vietnam to Portugal to Mexico.

And so my company just went boom. So I'm 4 months of the year on

a plane, and, and I had a lot to manage

there. And so all the practices I'd put into these the Aussie football clubs

went overseas and put into the business world. And it didn't

matter what culture you were, what age you were, as long as you,

you know, as long as you wanna be part of it, then then you're gonna

win. So, yeah. So I just didn't look back down. You know, after

that I help out clubs occasionally as a love job, you know, to,

but I, I had 20, sports coaches doing it,

that sort of stuff. Mhmm. Yeah. Sounds like you 2 sort of have, you

know, quite similar sort of what did it get lonely

traveling on your own, You know, I guess and and it's

sort of like what you talk about a lot, Dale, with the your keynote speaking.

And it's, you know, that team environment, you don't have that when you're

working for yourself. But I guess you've, you're, you know, coaching

people. So you've got that relationship. Yeah. I loved it, mate. I'm flying

business class, getting a driver everywhere, you know, everywhere. Bolivia had a

freaking you name it. I miss the family. I had a young family growing up

and it was probably detrimental to, you know, obviously, but they're so young that I

don't realize. But, because, yeah, I was getting off a plane, going

straight into a training room for 5 days straight. Having some

downtime was the best thing. Yep. You know, but she didn't get. So then I

started to take a couple of days off afterwards and see the pyramids and

whatnot. Yep. But, yeah, I'm sort of done with it now. Yep.

I did my I did my stint, you know, 4 years of it. And,

now I'm pretty happy to be back in Melbourne and staying here with this online

world we live in. Yeah. I think you've been COVID's been a blessing in that

aspect. You know, that you don't always have to get on a plane. Yeah. Did

you I've I've got a young family as well, Rich, and I do a lot

of travel too. I've sort of canned I spoke to Jack about this on a

podcast. Just the physical load that that was when you're

going away and giving yourself to so many people and you fly back and you've

got no time for yourself or family. Mhmm. Like, as you said, a detrimental to

a young family or whatever. Do you look back on that now? And, like, how

do you see that time? Like, and this is probably

not Felicity's. I'm being very selfish here. Just for your personal

experience? Yeah. Well, I guess personally on 2 fronts,

I grew a lot as a speaker. You know what I mean? Front of 12

state people of 1200 people. And so there's a whole learning for me to go

through, but and also flip tight side as you mentioned. Well, I was lucky enough

because the I've got 3 daughters, twins at 7 now and a 10 year

old. And, this is going back,

what, 65, 6, 7 years ago. So I was too young. Yep. You know, and

that sort of gave me some level of solace to know, well, I don't, I

can't even remember being in prep. You know, really. Were you getting a cane then?

Yes. Do you remember that?

Sorry, mate. That's it. That's all something you don't wanna hear.

Sorry, man. I didn't pronounce it good now myself.

Oh, sorry about I think,

I think I yeah. Just I think people look at how

glamorous it is, you know, where you're flying all these different remote places and you're

speaking and you're making an impact. The thing I found when I reflected is

I'm making an impact to other people that end of the day don't matter as

much to the people at home. I have a couple of young boys and they're

probably very similar to me. They probably do need to cane. I hope they're not

listening 1 day, but I'm never gonna do it. But to me, they're very hyperactive.

And he'll bring Rich around, call it in tears. We'll get, are you a

me or a we?

Boy. I was just looking at it, and, like, it just wasn't, you know,

it wasn't working for anyone involved. And so, yeah, I've canned a lot of those.

But, yeah, just interesting the dynamic. I don't know if it's different with girls, but

how yeah. You look back on those times. Yeah. I don't count them. Yeah. It's,

yeah. No. I don't look back. I look at it as a blessing. Everything I've

done, I've made huge mistakes, but, you know, as they say, you're the person now

because of it. Yeah. Correct. I mean, I if I could I've written 4 books,

and if I was honest in those books, it'd be really bread worthy. Like, there's

a lot of shit I've done that just you can't speak about. Not not too

illegal. Do you know what I mean? Yep. But, nah. Loved

it. Yep. And, looking forward to look, I'm I'm living, You know? I'm

literally living. Yeah. And I I look after my my

state, you know. Like, my state is the way I feel and the way I

think is my best, mate. Having said that, I'll get on the cans with the

boys, you know, the when when the opportunity's there. But my

daily routine is pretty structured, walking, gymming,

meditating, using our technology all the time. So I'm alive.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't look back any I just don't

bother. As long as my kids are great, don't hurt anyone along the way, the

best of your abilities, and then, just, keep keep advancing

yourself. Yeah. Has that changed a lot from, you know, as you've gotten older

that, you know, how much you've cared for yourself and take care of yourself compared

to getting on the cans, having a good time with the boys, whatnot? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll look, you know, we go golf weekend and I'm last man standing.

And, but I manage my mind the next day as the best I can.

So when you when you work in this space, you don't let any sloppy thinking

in, and you just get on top of things. But, certainly, I think it's

a maturity thing, Jack. You know, like you you don't want to feel like crap

so much anymore. Like being, being energetically alive in

your mind is 1 of the best things ever, you know, like when you're really

fit and you're on and all, and I never knew what that was like, you

know, cause when you're traveling, surfing and playing footy, you know, he's a lot, lot

of fun to add. Yeah. Exactly. And I find fun for you.

You think that's normal though? You think when you, you know, you have out in

the cans 2, 3 times a week, you think that you're at your

peak after 2 days off, you're back to your peak. But it's it's not the

case, is it? You you know, you're sort of at this 70% level

always. Yeah. Not reaching that full circle. That's what happens. We

sell sabotage. Right? Because we're not used to the energy. Yeah. The energy is

so much. It's so extremely like, I'm going to the pub.

Yeah. Yeah. And it makes

me get damaged. Oh, I did it again. Jesus Christ. Not

again. You're not right, wasn't it?

Oh, so true. Yep. So true. So obviously now, Rich, like

you're global killing it with your business. You've spoken all over the world. Do

you find it hard to find new things to challenge yourself? Because I know, like

you just said, you're feeling very good in yourself. Your family is going

really well. You've got a brilliant business, and you've had a big impact, and you

still are. Do you find that next big thing to keep that

spark going? Or what you're just doing day to day? Like, you said you're alive.

You know, you're you're lit up. Mhmm. Is that enough? Or I think

someone like you, mate, you you need you need something new. You

need something or are you discontent? No. No. No. No.

Things unfold like, you know, I've got 40 coaches

now with quality mind and, finding new

strategies, new technology. We're into the AI world now. There's always something

coming. We're into biohacking now as well. So you're on biohacking

12 week programs, size spas, gut health, meditation, breath

work, all that sort of stuff. So we're designing these brand new so so I

live it and breathe it. So basically, all the programs I've designed, I have to

do it first. Yep. You know, not only do it like ingrain yourself and then

have a a study of people around me do it with me and see the

response. So there's always learnings. When you're in working with people for a living,

like, we are a complicated species. No doubt. Right? My god.

You know, I'm working with top level executives at AI Health Insurance right down to

I've got a I've got, actually, Adam is Boyden

after this session for a for a session with him to get a help him

elite. So I've just got a mixture of people and that

enough is is is enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, then you've

got the because my my I'm a visionary for the business. I'm 3 years ahead

of the competition, and I think now I wanna be 5 years ahead. So I'm

consistently learning every morning. I'm learning, learning, learning. What else was it what's

happening out there? So there's just no stop. You know, when

you love what you do, it just unravels, you know, just sort of so you

get in flow with life where life flows to you as opposed to most people

who disengage with life, they're chasing life. Mhmm. Does that sort of make sense? No.

Big time. It does. And you can see that, like and I I think I'm

very fortunate that I'm very similar that life just happens because

I'm happy where I am and doing it. I'm fascinated with AI. I think it's

I think a lot of people are scared by it, Rich, because I'm an AI

bot. You are an AI bot. Where's the real Rich?

Hank. Hank. Hank.

Hank's right dude. Jesus. Alright. I thought we had Richard. But, look, so I think

a lot of people are scared by it because of what it could do instead

of looking at it as what it can do as a superpower to enhance what

you already do. Mhmm. What are some of the things you're using it for and

what are you excited about it? Well, it's like tech. Right? When people get on

the app, our app is a game change for people because we just to sort

of digress, we we change we we're about neuroscience. Right? So we change the

brain through repetition. So if you keep telling yourself you're a good person, you're a

good person, you become a good person. Right? There's a lot more to it. But

so, so, technology was assigned

in. Where was it going? AI. Yeah. So AI,

you can use tech for good and tech for bad. Right? People say, I don't

wanna get on my app. It's like, man, there's there's good tech and there's bad

tech. Yeah. So don't get on and social media yourself out of it. Get on

and do the the what it's good for. So same with AI coming. We've

just added AI to our website. So we've got a digital mind mentor on it

now. And so, more or less, what we we

we focus on data. So let me just focus on your question first. Sorry. I'm

getting I've got ADD. No. No. No. That's fine. I love it. Go keep going

but you you're coming back. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. So,

AI is here and it's gonna be extremely exciting, but extremely,

alarming if it's not managed well. And the governments aren't keeping up. Let's be

honest. Right? There's a lot of tech companies that are just doing all sorts

of stuff, stealing our data, our identity, all our IP, all that's I mean, we're

going into the world where privacy is not gonna be problem and get used to

it, you know. So just be careful what you put out there. So

with, AI, what's coming is just

phenomenal. So with with us at QualityMine, we know data. So we do these

programs, 12 or 24 week programs. Our coaches are trained to do 1

group session each week. And then the whole concept of when

that client leaves the session, they use our app between 7 to 30

minutes a day on reprogram their thinking and feeling and and all

these overwhelmed sort of questions and meditation and visualization.

And it works. Right? So then they get off, they do these 7 to 30

minutes a day. They have to, or they get striked out. Right? So we've got

a 135 star reviews because of this, and they changed their neurology. And

when you change your brain, your life changes. And so with AI, we're gonna it's

coming in now to sort of help the coach with

collecting or getting them activated on the app, by getting to know Dale

and then finding out what time you woke up. Have you got your if you're

are, you know, being fitness as we kept as your wearables Yep. And communicating

with a mate and keeping you motivated and keeping your brain

changing all the time and your body and your awareness

of who you really are, not what you've become along the way. And so when

this AI digital mind mentor comes in, it's gonna

just basically become your best friend in your pocket. And then you get to the

live coaching session next week and your brain has changed significantly

more. Right? Because people are lazy. People will go, I'll get to it

later, especially high execs because they're so busy. So this will come in and just

complement their brain change. And we'll be able to do 3 to

5 times more people on a group course. So at the moment, we're doing that

usually a group of 10, from all walks of life, all

different countries. And so it's gonna help people. So

we're seeing it as a, a way

to to be, your mentor in your pocket permanently

and to open your eye, your eyes and change your brain for the way you

want to design your life. Does that make sense? It does. It does. It's about

neuroplasticity. Yeah. So there's a whole lot of science behind what we're doing. So I

can't wait for it. Again, again, on our website, you'll see a little

chatbot on the right and that's been trained up now and it'll actually can run

you through a program. Yep. It's called it's got my voice on it.

So it's a, it's it's very engaging. Oh, I'd be loving it. Listen to

it. Welcome to quality Is it hate or

it should be? You ask it, mate. It's that good at

Depends on the day. I don't know who I am.

But it it creates good accountability, doesn't it? Like, if you've got someone it's

like results, you know, proven. If you've got some best mate that you go

into the gym with, you're going to go there more, you know, more often.

And so it sounds like you're using that as, as an accountability tool

almost and a way for people to yeah. Oh, you could wake up in the

morning and have blow up with your missus or your husband, whatever it may be.

And then you could just go, look, how do I deal with this?

What happened? Okay. And just give you some advice and and then

check-in with you, at 9:30 AM when you when when you're home and say, right,

did you activate that idea? And if not, these are options. Right? I still, let's

go and eat a healthy food. Let's talk about this in an hour's time, you

know, sort of building that and then make sure you watch session 3 again. Cause

that was good. There's 3 key key points. You know what I mean? So it's

gonna get to that level. Wow. Because people, in

particular, there's what 23% of the planet alone only,

you know, so we're really going for that, that group and, and 56% of

Americans and around about the same percentage of Australia live month by month.

So we've got to find a way to help them with an with,

breakthrough that that rush, and give them someone that they can actually rely

on even though, yes, it's a it's a digital coach, but by then it'll

become it'll know you. It'll understand how you wanna communicate. It

could be even humorous. In fact, it already is. I've trained it to be quite

funny. So It's funny when a person trained and says is beta funny.

Of course it it is. It's funny to me at least. Yes. Of course.

Oh, I love that. And I think that's I think we need to get used

to that. Like, that for me, I grew up in a country where it's like

being honest to have a conversation with anyone, you know, walk in, like,

be able to strike up that conversation is something of a skill set that I

feel is just slowly leaving us. And like what you said there, it probably

scares a lot of people that their friend's gonna be this AI bot in their

pocket. Yeah. But realistically, that's a positive because a lot of people, like you said,

don't even have that in their pocket. They've got nobody. We're so socially

connected but so socially disconnected. So realistically, it

sounds horrible and sad but you're sort of giving people a lifeline by giving them

someone. Yeah. As long as it hopefully heads in the direction of helping them

connect with real people. Yeah. Well, but that's where it might not. Well, this is

the thing. That's the plan of this. We're we're we're doing a big raise at

the moment. So if anyone's out there who wants to invest in quality of mine

Cash. Cash. Yeah. Cha ching. We're doing it. So

also if you're on a crew, we say 20 people and you've and what happens

is in the cruise, it's all a future focused coaching.

So we don't care about the past. Because if you think about the past you

create it. Right? And so we're designing forward and everyone starts seeing everyone's

breakthroughs. But the whole idea of AI also on top of this is to

sort of go, okay. You get a ping from AI going Jack and Dale,

basically putting a word out. So can you connect me to Jack, Dale, and Bruce

and see if they're up for a, you know, catch up in half an hour?

Jong actually goes and it'll connect you like that. You know what I mean? So

you can get on a, an AI group chat, whatever it may be. And so

we want to keep getting people connected is the critical aspect of

this as well. And not only that growing. So that's all put into the the

plan, but I can't give too much No. Too many competitors.

I'm sure oh, I'm sure there is because, like, that's just the world we live

in now that there are so many lonely people, which is so sad. Yeah. And

realistically, all I need to do is walk outside and join a club or go

to a gym and and have a conversation. But that social anxiety or, you

know, the stress of doing that is too much for a lot of people. So

that's I just think it's a really interesting place, you know, where where

we're at. And that talking about this is fascinating because it's definitely in the

way of the future. Well, I mean, the commercial real estate industry has gone

to shit. You know what I mean? Around the world, people will be more home

now than ever because of the way we live. Yeah. And people don't wanna get

back to the office. So and what happens is as you know as you know,

momentum kicks in and and then the TV and Netflix is your is your

so called outlet. And, that's why pubs are crashing. Yeah.

I mean, we used to just hit the pub, you know, and, and that sort

of stuff. So what's happening in a couple of years that's happening. So how do

we as leaders of society, provide

people with tools that they can activate, in the best

way possible and live a happier life. So, I mean, 1 of the best things

about what we do is it permeates down the legacy of the family. So when

you change the parent or 1 parent, they usually, the other parent would

join the program. Then they've got their kids meditating and doing our thought shopping stuff.

And they just, you're changing the cultural dimensions of families. And this is

really exciting. Yeah. You know, when you see a family go, well, you

know, we, we, this is the way we were operating and they've just

learned it from their parents. Right. It's great to pass on. And at

the, at its core on a soul level, you know, we're all here to

grow. And if you'd stop growing, that's when depression kicks in. Right? So, but a

lot of people are waking up in there because of COVID. A lot of people

are waking up to what is, what is going on around here? You know, am

I happy where I am? No, I'm not. And so the people are going within

now more than ever. And, and they're waking up and they're

realizing that the governments are full of shit. You know, because a lot of the

media is just all collaborating on the same such, you know, without going down that

rabbit hole, but people are, you know, hitting in direction of, okay,

well just starting to live more now and this is what our role is to

help them ascend. So true. I

love that. Now, Rich, we Yeah, Joe. A bit bit heavy for you. No. It's

exciting. I guess Like, you're doing something to

try and help, but it's the it comes with a lot of,

Yeah. There's just I don't know. It's it's like it's dark in 1 sense, like,

where the world's at, but I guess you're trying to help that

darkness and bring people, you know Yeah. To a better life. So Well, dark and

light is a priority to to evolution and and

growth because if you don't have dark, you don't learn what you want. Mhmm. And

so we're in a dualistic world, which means you have to have bad and you

have to have good. So people just see it as bad. And then look, 95%

of our thinking is yesterday's thoughts. And what are they like? You

know, they just recirculate around and it's all bullshit. It's a

delusion and illusion that you've been telling. If you if you look at the worry

and you had in your head this time 5 years ago, it didn't happen.

Yeah. Correct? So we're programmed. Yeah. Yeah. And so

actually on that, like, our first 7 years as a human being,

our program is formed because we are in a hypnotic state, you know, like,

a theater state as a child and this is a fascinating thing. So 95%

of who you are is built in the 1st 7 years. You probably have spoken

about this on your podcast. I'm not too sure. And so how to change

that is is our role. Is our job is to help people snap out of

that subconscious patterning that they've got in there that they just don't know how to

get that shit out of get out of. Yeah. And I and I love that

because I used to be a school teacher. And a lot of time parents that

may not have done the best job for those 1st 7 years, the the kids

come to school and they're having issues or they're having troubles and it's easy

to blame somebody else. I think that's brilliant when you can change

that. Because kids are fun, just like you said, 7 years. You know, they're

not school, but they might be at 1 or 2 years of that. The rest

is on parents. You know, and then and if you can get them in a

good state, in a good place, that kid is gonna have the best possible

life. Mhmm. You know, but if you don't, and this is where I see it,

that year after year, cycle after cycle of parents and kids

Yeah. They're not in they don't know what they're doing is

harmful or it's it's really unfair to that kid. Mhmm. And that's

where we have to change it. So you must be, like, so proud

of seeing that because you're actually breaking generational

cycles that are so powerful and will will continue

on. Well, that's exactly right. So my advice to all young parents out there

is do this. I did this and it's worked out. My kids are really, really

well well programmed. They're getting they're getting they've all got their challenges, but, you

know. So every morning I do when I was, you know, home, which

is 8 months of the year, even now. But even now

today, my favorite time of those in the morning, I would, put them

at the brekkie bar, feed them their, their breakfast from literally as soon as

I can sit up. And then I just started programming him. I'd say to

Charlotte, you're an amazing leader. You're, you know, you're great with people.

You you're friendly. And I just start programming and programming. Then I go

to Georgia and say, Georgia, you're funny. You know, you're you're really confident.

You can handle pressure really well. And I go to Amelia, and this is what

I did every morning for I still do it. Not as much now because they're

coming out of that 7 years, and I had a strategy. And that was by

far my favorite moment of the day. Yep. Now it's been, you know, between 5

8 minutes of just sitting there, and I'd be, like, frothing at the bed, you

know. Thinking, you know, nothing. Really, daddy? You know? It's like, yeah.

And every morning, I'd say, I love you. Have I told you today? Have I

told I said it to Mills this morning. Have I told you today? Love you

because I didn't get it. You know, I don't end up punching on the pubs,

you know. And I was just angry. I didn't know who I was. So the

support of love is leadership and then also program in their mind. So if you're

in that mom and dad out there, give that a significant

focus. Mhmm. Yeah. The way we talk, it resonates. Yeah. Yeah.

You you could've done with it. Yeah. Oh, I got that. My parents I I

think anyone could do with it. Mom was here before. She'd broken her elbow to

pull it up. But, no. But I think that you can never ever

reinforce that enough. Do you know what I mean? Like, and if you think you're

doing enough, you probably do it more. Because it you can never go over the

top. Yeah. Like, there's no too much. Yeah. And at the same

time, when shit goes down in their life,

just ask them what are the options. Don't fix it. Don't fix

it because they've gotta be, critical thinkers. Yeah. It's gotta be resilient.

And, you know, cause if my, you know,

my, my partner, she will fix it, you know, and that's the nature. I just

go, well, you tell me. So, you know, these are things

I've hacked into that I've got from other people who've done it, who'd been older

than me and they they work really well. Yep. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. I find it

interesting list listening to you. Obviously, like, rough upbringing

in pubs, punch ons, but you've obviously had this

incredible spiritual sort of, you know, coming to in

the past 20, 30 years, whatever it might have been.

Like stereotypically blokes growing up in pubs and punching on,

they're not going down that path. Like, what was it that that sort of drove

you there and, you know, was it? Yeah. Great question. I think it

was when it was at that stage is about middle

twenties when I started to take life a bit more seriously. Once I'd sort

of redefined my identity into who do I wanna be, I was

asking question, what am I doing here? Yeah. Who am I? And

then the more I asked that question, the more the answers sort of came through.

And then I started to just I got told to follow your highest excitement. Right?

So just follow your highest soul's journey. It's your blueprint. And I

started to do that, and then I started to get better jobs. You know, I

was a sponsorship manager for your footy club, and then I found that job. And

then as you grow as an individual, you get confident. And then you find find

that your next passion is people, and you just sort of peel back the the

next thing. And then as you develop, I think it's when you

well, in my space, I'm gonna speak for myself, but it's like when you're

on, when you're in on track, you, you just learn so

much, you know, you really learn so much and then, and then you just take

it on board and you trial it and then you just become calmer, happier, more

understanding. Like we were in a lot of pub fights and not any party

fights. And I got to the point where I'll stick to death of it. Mhmm.

You know, I was like, guys, this is bullshit. You know, like, stop. And then

I got to the point where we had like a gang. I were in gangs.

And, and I got to the point where I became the sort of leader of,

you know, the the gangs and that. And then and then I did it while

I didn't choose to. It was more like go to Richie or sort this out.

So I'd go and speak to that member over there and say, mate, what are

you fucking doing here? You know? And so I'd escort the guy out and make

sure it's all, but I just got fed up with it. I manned up, you

could say. And, and I think that really worked well. And and then I

got out. Oh, that's why I left to go to Queensland. You had to go

to change. To change. And then I was willing and wanting to change

because I wasn't happy with where I was heading and that was probably the first

step towards what you're talking about. It's a lot about who you surround yourself with.

Isn't it? Like, if you're around people that are, you know, bringing you down, it's

very hard to be that person that you want to be. I find like

the more you, you hang around, the people who you admire, who are doing the

things that you want to be doing makes it 10 times easier. Oh, huge. Even

when I went back and, I won the, the, the,

the best on ground in the VFL grand final Sanderham was in

alignment with Melbourne. And we played North Ballarat and I made a

monumental error, which is classic. I

won the best on and the non gos and the non gos. Yeah. And the

guy grabbed me and he goes, come on, mate, come up the stage. And I

couldn't because the speakers are going out that way. You couldn't hear it, and I

didn't know I'd won best on. And and he go, but but but Mitch Maloney,

you know, I couldn't even hear you. And he goes, you can hear it on

2. He goes he goes, you've won best on ground. I said, you fucking what?

And then he he goes, say something. I said, you fucking beauty.

And, anyway, what happened then is, oh, well, it just went to shit.

So I got fined by the VFL, ostracized in the

media. My mom was devastated.

Recruit because I wanted to get out of Sandringham then. So I I got recruited

to Subiaco and I said to my mates, you're not coming. I wanna

see if I can get this right. I wanna see if I'm gonna recollect my

career. This is towards 20 3, 4,

5. And I went to Subiaco and and left them all

behind. Right? But then 2 years later when I got to captaincy,

3 years later, I brought them all in. So I had to go and find

myself, prove myself, then I brought in the a grade bikes that I've always

grown up with. We came over and won a flag. So to your point, it's

who you hang around with. Yeah. And I still do with these guys. They're just

hot they're just good bikes. They they achieve they achieve high. They're not

not, you know, above and beyond, but they they're good at what they do. They're

good dads and and so forth. So I don't I just don't hang out with

anyone anymore who doesn't assimilate with the same values as me. I love that. I

think that's so true. So if you could look back in where you are now

from that lost, you know, 18, 19, 20 year old kid and

you could give yourself 1 bit of advice, Rich, what would that be? Jeez,

man. That's a good question, man. This is where we get deep. And I don't

want Hank answering this. I want Rich. Yeah. Yeah.

Be inquisitive and be willing to, look at yourself,

and and then be willing to ask for help. You know, like,

that's what I did. I had my first mentor. My first mentor had 3

significant mentors and I just literally would call someone up that I thought was

relevant and and smarter than me. And I'd just say, man, I wanna buy a

coffee. And that's how it began with my 3 my 3 mentors.

So I took ownership of my life. I just didn't wanna be

I went to a futurist actually when I was 27 and he said, they'll buy

2020, there'll be a virus coming through. There'll be 2020. No 1 would wanna work.

2020, you wanna build a business where it's online. This and now. So I sort

of got serious at 27, 28. It's like, I don't wanna be

broke by 50. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna set my life

up. And so I just went on this of activation. Like, what do I need

to do to become successful? Become the best version of me. And don't

get me wrong, man. I'm still not the best version of me. I'm in work

in progress. We all are though. Yeah. Yeah. There's no such thing as this. Yeah.

But I love it. I love who I am. Yeah. You know? You own it

though. I think that's the biggest thing. Yeah. You've gotta be able to own it.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, in terms of love where I am, I know I've

got traits that that hold me back. I've got traits that I'll enjoy,

but I'm okay with it. Yeah. Like, it's okay. I know That's who you are.

That's who I yeah. You know, I'll get fuck off.

I think that's the best part of the

That's

I think that's the best part of the album. So people know what to fuck

off, Rick. They wanna find out they wanna find out more. Where's the best place

to go? Because now you got, like, free courses you can go and do, and

it's like a live scorecard thing. It might take a fuck off. That might be

fine. Not a problem. But we it's a nice segue for you to

bring those people back, mate. If you want a free coaching team.

Start that again, please, boys.

Oh. Let's not have him back.

Oh. No. Go to my website qualitymindglobal.com. There's a

life scorecard on there. It's like a 97 score,

seconds, like, survey. And you can, 9 questions on

body, mind, and soul, get an evaluation on that emailed straight to you. And if

you want a coaching session, we we've got 40 coaches. I'm happy to coach, for

half an hour and give you your your listeners AAA bit of a leg

up free of charge. You know? Look at that. We do deliver.

That's value. That's value. You can download my books

as well. But I'll give you 1 of those if you get in contact there.

I'll give it to you guys and you can you can grab it for, your

listeners. But, that's about it. Looking forward to the next journey.

And, number 45 is done and dusted. Bye. That is great.

Thank you very much. Reach out. Rich. Thank you, mate.