The Overly Excited Podcast

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Welcome to the overly excited podcast hosted by Jack Watts and Dale

Sidebottom. 2 friends with a passion for life, learning and all

things that get them jumping out of their

seats. Alright, everyone. This is episode number 38 of the overly exciting

podcast. Joined by our producer, the 1 and a Chris

Gibson, Jack Watson. What? My name is Dale Sowell.

This is our 1 year anniversary. Now before we start, episode

number 38. Dale Morris has a football reference for you, Jacko. Dale

Morris. Dale Morris. But in Western Bulldog? Yes. Correct. Very good. Got that one.

Also, a couple of stats over the last year. Obviously, 38

episodes. Not a bad thing considering Jackie went overseas. I've

had 2 international trips we've done on and off. Nice.

Listen to in over 50 countries now, which is, Really?

Which is pretty impressive. Don't know how many download per country, but

I got that stat the other day. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But

anyway, congratulations. 1 year anniversary. I know. Congrats, boys.

Well done. Whoo. Overly excited. I'm guessing not many get there,

Dale. I did not. I don't know who that stat

Did you When you see stats for you. I thought surely you got a

stat for how many podcast for 1 year. For 12

months. It would not be many because not many get to 9, was it?

That's enough. 10. I reckon. We remember that stat most times

about how could we go on. You got any stats, Watsy? You got any stats

from the weekend? Mhmm. Good with the stats. How many stats? Shipping data.

From this weekend, big stat that I had was how many

meals I had. Right.

Started with a 12 quarter Friday night at Addaca. Woah. How

do you surely, by the 8th, you're like,

shit. I've had enough. No. Well, you know you know, these There's not much. Yeah.

That's right. These fancy restaurants bottle cap. You get the little bottle cap

per per thing. But it was pretty special. I've been meaning to go there for

a long time. And one of my good mates, messaged me

Friday Friday lunchtime, actually, and he said, let's I'm

taking you out for dinner. Let's go out. And,

we somehow got a booking at Attica, and it was, it lived

up to the expectations. I wasn't, yeah.

I, the 12 course with the matching wines probably,

sent me a little bit. And So you you drove there and then I did

drive there. Left the car there. Left the car there,

and then, yeah, had to scramble around Saturday morning and,

did you go for a run with me? Did you get a run with Mitchie?

No. The run did not happen set day morning. Match it up to No.

Top line matching 12 videos. Cap sort of. No. No.

No. That I'll I'll let him know at, I don't know, about 4 o'clock

when I was heading home. So, 4 o'clock?

Yeah. AM. AM. Yep. Okay. But, but then, another

weekend after that, it got pretty good and played

golf, played my committee round at Peninsula Kingswood. Committee round.

What? So if you go play with a committee member I'll see you signing up

there. Sign up there. Yeah. Sign up there. There you go. Sorry. How did you

hit him? Hit him like dog shit. Very, very nice course. I

still Got it. Was a good one. So I probably won't go

again, but it was very nice experience. Yep. Yep. But that was pretty much that

was pretty much me, really. That was pretty much the weekend. Yeah. Nice work. So

how do you feel boys after a year of the podcast? Happy first birthday.

Yes. Thank you, Bo. Thank you. I'm really excited. Yeah.

Wow. 12 months. I mean, that's that's a pretty good

effort really. Isn't it? Great effort. Considering we've, you know, what have we done? 38

apps. So we've missed a couple of weeks here and there, but, you know, pretty

consistent for for 12 months. It's a yeah. It's a good effort. It's unreal.

And it feels like it's sort of coming together. It feels like we're starting to

get a bit of a groove and, getting, you know, some good people

on and a good mix and, bit more structure. I'd

say having our number one producer in town. Number 1 in

Australia. Has added a lot of class to

Wow. A bit of a scrappy Yeah. Yeah. How do you polish your food?

Well, you bring Gimbal along, I suppose. But Stop it. No. We had things

going nicely, but they were a bit of a scrap. You know, each week,

we'll sorta tread in water, I'd say. Now I

think it's a great mix to get and butterflying. And I think

as the listeners have said, they love listening to when it's just you

2. And when I I I followed you right from the

beginning Mhmm. Episode by it was about, like, 9 minutes or something. Yeah.

It was a long 9 minutes for Jack. Yeah.

And, gee, like, honestly, every Friday, as you'd see, I'd message you guys

and be like, when's it coming out? When's it coming out? I'm like, oh, it's

not here this week. Thursday night, wake up. Yep. There's a

new ep. And now look at you producing the podcast. Oh, loving it. And

look look, I mean, our last couple of, guests have been thanks to you, Gibo.

Yeah. And, they've been outstanding. I have been like looking looking back at

them, you know, Tony Mott, that was just one of the

I mean Would you call it an interview? I

think

sat there and listened. There is nothing. Jack had a couple of battles with you.

There's nothing more awkward than when you yeah,

stop and you both just get going? Oh, man. Yeah. He loves

a chat. He does all of it. Awesome stories. I'd love to have

I'd love to have it. So many more that you didn't fit into the the

podcast. Well, we finished the chat, then he can and we said, alright. Thanks, Tony.

We've gotta go. And then he told us another 10 stories for 20 minutes. Low,

mate. We could've just kept being recording. Yeah. We missed the Elton one. We missed

the Missed his Queen one, the dwarf. I was like, wow. That was a pretty

good story. Anyway, don't steal his material because that's, when he does

talks. Yeah. That's his finishing one. So go and listen to him talk, and you'll

get that one. And how good's Tim Richardson? Oh, the MP. What

do you mean? What is on next week, which is very exciting. I have oh,

he his one hasn't come out. No. So he We

spoke about this, Jack. Okay. Sorry. No. That's okay. It was

funny. I was actually just driving down, you know, what it is it Beach Road

down there? Is it Beach Road? On the Beach Road? Like, well, I don't know.

There's that that side and that The Station Street. Station Street. Station Street.

Okay. Well, obviously you long? Yeah.

Well, I was just driving down that road, and I saw

MP, Tim Richardson, the little thing. He's got a little office there. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. In Chelsea. Knock maybe in a

sale. You should totally knock. A knock. Remember,

Nick knocking? Yeah. It was Nick knocking. What a great time that was. Yeah. Uh-uh.

Does anyone else not be able to feel their hands? Yes. It's actually oh my

gosh. Dale. Now oh, yeah. We we probably should let the listeners know. This is

true. Please let me know. Me. I can't wear my hands up. Love

I'm like I've got my defib in the car. I still

can't feel my fingers. Nurse Kristen, is that okay? Or Honestly,

I can't help you, mate.

So we've, we we've all just did a 3 minute ice bath just before

it. First ever. Yeah. First ever. First ever. First ever. First

ever. Lot of firsts this year, I reckon. Yes. We're gonna do

some first evers Yep. That's out of the comfort zone. So you're

if you could see Dale's fingers now, it's quite concerning. They

actually look dead. No. They actually do. Wicked gorgeous. Look at

you move them. Maybe you should keep

how do you feel, Dale, after your ice bath? Well, no. It was it

was very cold. Obviously. Yeah. I don't know

if I, like, love it or feel great or You're not a huge

fan of it, mate. No. I'm really yeah. Like, I don't real I don't like

cold water. Yeah. So, like, I don't like swimming in the beach. Be interesting to

see later today and, you know, how you feel I'll I'll let you know. Sense

of achievement. Well, yeah. I just there's no chance,

Dale. Dale's gonna be that I'm never doing that again. Oh. That's a crock of

shit. We got Chris in here who lives and and swears by

Oh, I know. And that and I'm not dissing it. I just I just didn't

get out of there and go, woah. How good is this? Mhmm. Yep. But

there's other things I do that I feel good. Totally. And it's

everyone's got their thing. We we were just speaking to you and your beautiful partner,

Breeza, before. And she said when you're up in Noosa, you wouldn't even get in

the water because it's cold. Too cold in Noosa. I'm pretty seriously,

in summer Bree doesn't even wanna go in the pool because it's fine. We're just

leaving it at 30 degrees. Yeah. Wow. So that's That's too

warm. Well, nice for a mat. Yeah. So you get even a nice bath

with You're a you're a gym gym guy? Gym junkie. I'm a nice

girl. Yep. You're a nice girl. I'm a very nice girl.

I get my cape on the ice line. I'm like, okay.

But 12 months, Let's I mean, let's look back. Reflect. Let's

look back. Moment of reflection. A little reflection. What what were some of our

highlights? Yeah. I would say just starting it. For me, it

was really cool. But then also, when you we got some of those

messages from, like, multiple people that we

didn't either of us didn't know, and people felt comfortable enough to

message us and say, you know, certain chats we've had about, you

know, being open or vulnerable or whatever it was. Yeah. It was really

reassuring to hear 2 guys doing that. Yeah. And that for me

was like, wow. This is that's when I realized this is something

that is really powerful. Mhmm. But, also, I think it's been really powerful personally

Mhmm. Just to come in and and chat and have no agenda, and I've

enjoyed that aspect of it. I've also loved having all the guests on.

But to be able to allow people to reach out and feel comfortable enough to

say the impact we're having by doing what we're doing when we're just talking.

Yep. That for me was I haven't had that in other areas that I've

done similar things before. Yep. So that's sort of mine. The pod has

it's like a, you know, no filter. You know, you can

just speak as you are, and it's it's a

very easy listen. It's funny. And you guys do such a great

job of just being open and honest. We try and be funny. I don't know.

But I don't know if it always is. It's funny. We think we're funny. I

don't know how many other people don't. I think best thing about podcast

is that you put it out there and you don't know. Wow. And you probably

don't listen to all your episodes, do you? No. I'll listen I'll listen to some

of the interviews Yep. Just to get all over and remember what it

was and hear how we went and things like that. But, no. I don't

really I don't really like listening. Well, I've listened to from Every single one. That's

all I get to produce. Does it got better? Oh, it's

gotten well, I just think from start from

right from the get go, it's been unreal. And I literally every

Friday, I've, like the first thing when I wake up. And I think there was

one week where There's a couple of weeks a couple of weeks where it didn't

come out. And I was like, oh my god. You did the old Houdini. It

was flaky. Oh. Fakey. And then we're, uh-oh. That's why we need a producer.

Shit. We didn't have one that week. And on that note, I've we're very

honored and overly excited to be a part of this. Because now

it's just a good excuse to catch up. Exactly. I think that's for

me, you know, when talking about highlights and what it's all

about, you know, like, we're obviously we're not

making a lot of money off it. And, Yeah. Actually, I needed to talk to

you guys about I think you got a lot of Jesus. Yeah. Dale,

I'll leave that one with you. Yeah. Come on. But, you know, and it but

that's almost why I've loved it so much is because it's for fun. We're

doing it because we enjoy it. We enjoy each other's company. And

for me, like what I've found is, you know, what I found

incredible was like almost it's like, you know, going and seeing my

sock. It's like beforehand, like, oh, I could think of a

1000000 other things I want to do. You know, you've had a long day at

work. I just want to sit on the couch and whatever. But every

single time that I leave this shed,

the dungeon, the dungeon, I'm feeling better and I feel, you know,

like I've, I find it's been interesting

when you set something in the calendar and you, you know,

basically all we're doing is really talking about the shit that's going on in our

lives and trying to work out whether that whether we're handling it

well and how can we handle things better and what we do to make ourselves

feel better and what we do that makes our sales feel shit. But if you

don't, like I find in life, if you just keep cruising through and you don't

actually address those things, you can just sort of float, can't you? Whereas this sort

of gave me like a, you know, an anchor where it's

like, like a purpose in an aspect. Exactly. Yeah. I agree. And

also you'd be very surprised at how many people you're helping. Mhmm.

Just, you know, like for the the first few episodes of

the podcast, it became, almost like a bit of a lifeline for

me. That was my my anchor in my week where I

look forward to Yeah. You know, the episode coming out.

Yeah. Definitely. And and then that's the other aspect of me was like

reconnecting, connecting with, you know, few people that,

are really important to me in my life, but I hadn't really, you

know, whether, you know, life goes by and, and, and you can sort

of, you know, not speak to someone for a while or

whatever it might be, but you know, Mitchie boy and Carly,

my beautiful cousin over in Adelaide and my sister and you know, these sorts of

people. And then obviously you give, I like you, you know, every Friday would be

messaging and you know, that kind of,

connection was, was something that was, pretty special that

came out of it for me. So on that note, I wanna ask

you guys a couple of questions. Go for it.

Woo hoo. So you start first, Jack. So you tell you're on

just have a bite of your cookie. You go for it, mate. Breezey. Baked us

some cookies for the first birthday. Yeah. No. Thank you, Breeze. Yeah. Birthday cookies.

Excited. Yes. So, Jack, what qualities

in Dale do you admire? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Jesus. We haven't got this deep

I love this. I love this. Not for a 2. Birthday. Alright. What do

I admire about Dale? I admire

his his get up and go. His ability to

to get shit done, bring people with him, always

with energy, with excitement.

I think, like, yeah, obviously without you, like, none of this would have happened

because you've been the driving force. You're, you know, and you

control a lot of it. You keep us on track. You're the one doing the

homework. You're the one, you know, you're you're the one paying for a

lot of this stuff. And so, yeah,

for me, you know, that's been a big thing. I also admire

your willingness to to open up, you know, I

think you're a shit boy country boy.

You know, traditionally stereotypically, I'd say country boys are pretty

and I think you've got that a bit of that in you too. Oh, certain

aspects I'd say. Yeah. Yep. But your ability

to, like self reflect, and

like our chats that we had early, early on where, you know, you've done a

lot of work on yourself and, and, you know, your

willingness to to give that to, you know, the public.

I I really admire that too because I didn't know whether that was gonna come.

I didn't know. I thought you might have had a bit of a shield up

and, you know, so, yeah, they're

probably the things that I've loved the most. Keep blushing there, dad. Oh, yeah. That's,

I don't know if it's because the blood's coming back to some some of my

fingers.

Shirt. Remember those? That's insane. Yeah. I don't know if they're

real or not. But anyway Okay. That made me blush a little bit and got

3 of my fingers back. Yeah. There you go. 5 of them are still

white. So Dale That was very nice. I can check. Qualities in

Jack do you admire? I don't reckon I've ever met

anyone who is just so fun

and easy going and always up and about. It doesn't matter, like,

what's going on in your life. And I know we because we always have chats

beforehand and things. And, you know, in the last year, you've had a lot of

different ups and downs in particularly business and certain aspects of your

life. Uncertainty, I'd say. Mhmm. But it doesn't it doesn't change the

person you are. And I think that's an amazing quality that you

don't allow outside factors to control the way you show up or the way

you treat people. And you've always got so much energy for everyone else.

I thought I was up and about, mate. You are you trumped

me. I have moods. I go up and down, but you are just consistent.

And then I also really admire how this was

pushing you so far out your comfort zone. Like and when we started, and I

could see how uncomfortable you were, but you you you still did it. No.

No. But you you still did it. And there was only one way, like, we

could've planned how many guests we would've got and whatever. But you did it. You

got in there. And after I remember you saying you're still nervous, but after

about 4 or 5 episodes, you just rock in. You have no

questions. And I'm like, you would just ask the most amazing, like, and you

still do. You roll in and go, right, Who we got today? And you don't

and I'm like, how like, just your confidence in your own

ability. I I just admire that so much. And

you're just so good at this. And I know, hopefully, you're starting to

realize that now. I saw it from the first episode where you interviewed me.

I'm like, woah. That's your first time ever really interview anyone. And you just

absolutely nailed it for an hour. That is a long time. And I just think

you've grown and grown throughout that. But more importantly, I think we really

complement each other in our different personalities. Like,

I'm very organized. You're you don't need to be organized because it's

sorta you're just so naturally good at things when you believe in it. Mhmm. And

now you do I can see naturally good at things when you believe in it.

Mhmm. And now you do I can see that you believe in how good you

are at this. So that, for me, has been, probably, the thing I've loved seeing

from you. Mhmm. That you don't let anything else the thing I've

loved seeing from you, that you don't let anything

else affect you. You just come in and you do do what you do.

And I don't know if that's been conditioning from, like, probably been

an athlete that a lot of outside factors are going on, and you just come

and get it done. But, yeah, mate. Your energy, your personality, the way

you treat people is second to none. And, yeah, I really

admire that. And you've been able to translate that into podcasting.

Even when you don't know anyone, you don't need to know them. You just listen

and figure out so quickly. So you're like, your emotional intelligence

of other people is off the charts. I'm just like it

it blows me away every time. I've done all this research, and I went,

no. I didn't even ask this question. I'm like, for fuck's sake. That wasn't on

Wikipedia. Yeah. I was like, hey. How's

it come up with that? Like Now what is this blushing? No. But that's

literally anyway, oh, I'm only missing one color. I've

been flushing each other. I've totally warmed in. But pressure. No. That's

mate, that's a skill set that is just so unique. Couldn't agree more

with what you both said about each other. Mhmm. And I suppose

it goes with, you know, like happiness happiness is a state of

mind. You know, definitely

there's factors in life that there's always

gonna be factors that are gonna bring you down, bring you up, bring you sideways,

but positive, you know, if you've got a positive mind

and it's a choice. Happiness is a choice. There's things you can

do for it. Yep. And what you focus on, where you put your energy. But

I also think being around the right people. Definitely. And that

for me, the the constant of this once a week Yeah. We didn't and we

I think we reflect on this about 20 episodes. We didn't actually realize

what we're doing for each other by just doing it. So true. And I

think, yeah, that took a like, we didn't even need to know that, but then

we did. And we're, woah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So on that note, we'll bring it

down a little notch. That was very nice. That was a lovely question. That was

a good good start. Great question. Thank you. So we'll go back to

you, Jack. Who do you talk to when you're not

feeling great? Could be text message. I know you don't love talking on the

phone. Yeah. Yeah. Who who do you reach out

to? Or do you reach out If I'm not feeling great, I'd

it wouldn't be it wouldn't be texts. Like I'd be,

in in person type of thing. So, you

know, in recent times, like, it would be my girlfriend,

if I'm having a shit week or whatever it might be, like

I'd, I'd speak to Alan and, you know, we'd have a, have a nice dinner,

go for a walk with the dogs and, you know, she's let me just get

things out. And you know, the

support that's, I guess that's where you

when I'm feeling shit, I guess probably similar to everyone. Like you just want a

bit of someone in your corner, you know, and that's like that's a great base

to a relationship to Jack massively. Yeah. Like that's,

so, you know, she she supports me with anything like that. You know, the other

person in recent times like Mitchie has been, it's

been amazing probably, you know, for how 9 months or

so that we've been doing this running stuff 6 months. It's,

he's been, yeah, just like

that every Sunday morning. It's, it's,

you know, you're getting out everything that you want to get out that's been

either troubling you or that you're happy with or you're proud of or, you know,

big decisions that I've had to make or you know, whether it was the business

stuff that's been, you know, up and down all year or,

you know, sort of we started when I was just sort of starting to see

Ellen. So, like, Mitchie was my, you know, my

sort of sounding board. Everything to do with her, which was which was

pretty awesome. Yeah. Probably

probably those 2. And then obviously having this, having my psych,

that's probably that that probably Yeah. Psych's really important, isn't it? Had a lot of

counseling over the years and, you know, if ever I need it, that's my

first point of call. And I wish more people would be open to it,

because I know it's kind of can be really scary, but It's a bit taboo

for a lot of people, I think. But I think it's honestly It's just like

honestly, it's it's just shouldn't be at all because it's, like, my talking to someone.

It's literally the same as this. Like, I'm not joking. Like With no judgement too.

Right? Exactly. And they don't know who you're talking about. So that makes

it even sort of less, I guess there's no

there's no opinion there already. So it's they're so, what's that

word like, matter of fact, it's like, they're

not, they don't have an opinion on the people you're talking about. They don't know

who they are. So they're just listening to you and taking what you're saying in.

Yep. And then providing whatever they need to provide. So I find too, like,

couples counseling and marriage counseling. My husband and I have done a lot of that

over the journey. And I think, you know, again, a lot of people think,

oh, no. If we do marriage counseling, it means we've got problems. But it's the

best thing we ever did for our marriage. Yep. That's like, who doesn't have problems?

Like, seriously. Everyone does. And if you don't have someone to talk to, you need

And then if you wanna ignore them and, like, act as if they don't exist

and it's just doesn't work very well. You know? No. We don't have problems, so

we don't have to do that. It's like, whatever. You're going home. Communication, right? Key.

Right. Catch you. Yeah. Because I think it's Keanu Reeves that if someone thinks

1+1 is 5, I'm like, quit on you. Catch you never. Yeah. Catch you never.

I love that. I don't think you said catch you never. I added that for

you. Yeah. I love that. That's what I think. Cool. Catch you never. See you.

So the second part of that question then, Jack, is how do you get yourself

out of a funk when you are in a funk? This is, I mean, this

is the real good shit, isn't it? Yep. I saw it. How do I get

producers in here? It's some well,

I guess it I find you have to give yourself

time first. Like Love that. Like Sit with it. Yeah.

Like sit with it. And like, if you're feeling super shit, like

you can't just, like, click your fingers and I don't know. For me, personally

No. No one can know. Yeah. No. If only you could. Right? Well, that's Yeah.

Exactly. Then you'd never be in it because you'd be need to feel that sorry.

I'm interrupting you. You do need to feel it. Yeah. You need to feel it.

And also you need to get back to a place where you've like,

I could easily say, look, go to the gym, go down for a swim, blah,

blah, blah. Cause that's what I do when I'm, you know, but

I've been I've had a lot of times where, like, I need a day or

2 of sitting on the couch and doing fuck all and

eating chocolate and, you know That's really important to to sit with your

feelings, to move through it. Yeah.

Yeah. So so, like, I mean, I guess a lot of that comes down to,

like, I've probably, you know, whether it's you you hung over or

whatever. Like, that's a lot of the time. If I've pushed that a

bit hard, then that that's when I'm feeling shit for a couple of days.

So, you know, first of all, probably avoid that. We're all we're all guilty of

that. Yeah. I came into the pod today going, had too many heavy

beers at the footy club last night. Yep. Yep. Still went from a 6 AM

dip though because I know that it gets me out of the car. Oh, yeah.

It was an ice bath. Fuck.

He he got all my fingers back out. Yeah. Back baby. Yeah. Their ting was

like crazy. That's that's why. That's because you're overly excited, mate. No.

No. Just very cold

What are the other little fingernail? The inverted turtle.

But yeah. But then, I mean, from that point, once once I get to that

point of, like, you know, I I can get out of the house and whatnot,

I'd go get down the beach, get in the ocean,

take the dogs out for a walk, go for a swim, eat good food, go

to the gym. Yeah. That's how I sort of do it. That's awesome. It's pretty

simple. Like, for me, it's once I get to that point and I

start, you know, getting back doing doing some fitness and Yeah. That's when

I get back on track. Real key point there too is I remember,

because over the journey, I've had some epic highs and lows and that's my little

tattoo, you don't get a rainbow without rain. I remember probably

of recent times, maybe 6 months ago, I had a good

probably 4 week block where I felt down and out and

just no rhyme or reason. I think, you know, I

suffer with depression, anxiety, always probably will. And I remember

people going, oh, you know, maybe you need to go higher on your anti

depressants. Maybe you need to go back to your psych. Maybe you need to

and then my friend Amy Salisbury from what he said,

you know, I was like, oh, you know, I just feel like I'm gonna be

like this forever. And she said, maybe you just need to just ride it out

and just and almost from that moment Yeah. I was

like, oh, the relief of not having to figure out what I need to

do to figure out. Was taken away. Pressure was taken away.

Yep. Because we don't always need to figure things out. No. Like, sometimes we just

need to allow it, and that come back to being present. Like Absolutely. Trying to

fix everything. Like, not everything's meant to be fixed. No. Things take time

to do that. But we we we like to fix

things. We Not around the house. Don't do something about it.

8th grade on the tools. Not bad on a

shovel. It's so true though. Is that like we, as especially as probably

males, like we love if there's a problem, like, we'll do this. If they're

if you're feeling this way, well, why did you do it? Like, why don't you

go and do this? And that'll help. But so many, you know, so often

it's like, you just need to be there and listen to them and

support and, you know, give them a bit of time. And

and as you said, yes. Is a massive. Yeah. And I know I'm guilty of,

you know, talking over people, and I think we all are.

Have you listened back to a couple of our guest interviews? Yeah. Moment, Permanenteorgy Park,

and it was, like, 3 3 Jack Russells trying to just talk over

each other. Yep. And if you listen to Tony Mott, I sat back for Jack.

Jack was so excited. Yeah. I constantly remind myself to

shut up, Kristen, and listen. Yeah. Yep. You know? And you're you're never gonna,

learn anything by talking, are you? No. You're not. So coming back

to you, Dale. Yep. Who do you talk to when

you're not feeling great? We've got my, lovely wife, Brie, who baked the

cookies that, wouldn't get me on ice. But she. So you're

lucky to have her, and, obviously, having a couple of young boys,

yeah, lost pretty pretty hectic and pretty full on. So

probably I think we're getting better at it now, but talking about, you know, when

we're one of us is struggling or struggling a little bit. Also got a

couple of really good mates that are in similar situations with young kids,

and I think that's what I find now. A lot of issues I feel I

have is just because I've sort of lost my identity as a person.

Yeah. And you just don't get a break. And it's the same thing every day.

And I've really struggled with that. Yep. I was speaking to Bree the other day.

Like, really, it sort of lost the person I was, but

now I'm trying to figure it out that that's the person I am, like Yep.

And that's what's really important is talking to mates who are in similar situations.

Yeah. And I know Brie does the same with her friends. And yeah. And I

think that's the hardest thing, like, when you do have young kids or whatever

that the women are putting the mother's groups and their friends, and

they're better at talking. Whereas, you know, we we don't have that. And I'm sort

of glad because I hope these people don't listen. But I went to a couple

of catch ups, and I didn't I'm glad I wasn't in a group with those

people because I wouldn't whereas, you know, I've got friends in the same situation. And

That's good. I think having kids allows you to have conversations

that you may not have before. Got one really good mate, Spudder, who I

talk to a lot about just everything and always have. He's on my best

mate. Got a a mentor, Brad, who catch

up and, yeah, we talk a bit a lot about business, but we probably talk

more about our life. And, yeah, yeah, he's really helped me. He's the one that

wrote the kids book with and we have coming out. So, yeah, I've got a

number of different people that I'm very fortunate. Yeah. And I think the more people

you can have, the better. And like, don't you think when you share

your struggles and then all of a sudden you speak to someone who's going through

something the same thing, you're like shit. It's not just me. Yeah. It's not

just me. But when you've that's when it gets like, that's when it turns into

trouble, I reckon, is when you just sort of think that it's you're

you're alone with it. And no one else knows what you're talking about. And you

beat yourself up. You beat yourself up. You beat yourself up. Yeah.

You know, and then as soon as you sort of share it, with

those the speech share guys, a trouble shared is a trouble halved.

Yeah. Correct. It's so true. Like And even Tim Richardson, you

know, as I'm sure, will come out in the podcast.

Yep. He's he's very open and honest about his struggles with anxiety

and, and I think well, all 3 of us in this room are pretty open

about, you know, mental health issues over the

journey. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. You can't be up all the time. No. You can't. And

I think that's where the the issues I've had in my life I've struggled

with are Things a lot of other people may not have, like,

starting a a very unique business that not many people get or

understand. And can be very lonely as you say. So lonely. You know? And and

that's having a network of people in the same sort of

industry that have really helped me, and that's where Brad's come into it. But, also,

yeah, the biggest thing for me is kids. Like and nobody

could have prepared me for what it was like. Like, yes, I'm so grateful, and

I love it, but it's the hardest thing. Hardest journey. And it

it's Definitely. It's just relentless. Like, you just don't get that

break. You know, if you are sick or you are a little bit down, it

it doesn't matter. Yeah. And I think for me, having other mates going through

the same thing and, you know, being able to talk to them and share and

understand. Yeah. But And your boys are very young. 3 and 1, if

they're 3. And 1. Yeah. See, I'm here to tell you, I'm living proof that

it does get easier. I've got nearly 17

and 14 year old a long way off that keyboard. Yeah. But it gets easier.

It gets easier. Yeah. Yeah. No. I do appreciate it. Steady. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think you just it gets easier, but you

also get used to it, I suppose. Completely. You know?

And yeah. And so And, you know, small kids, small problems. Big kids,

bigger problems. Mhmm. Yep. You know? It all comes with its

challenges and, also, you know Is

it sort of like I mean, I've got no idea, but is it It's

not one day though. Yeah. Is it, like, scary that that

it's forever? You know, like it's, like this is your life now? No. Yeah.

Oh, it's just it's just a really weird feeling. Side bottom? Yeah. This is your

life. Where's Mike Munro? Where's where's your mind?

Bring that big gray book in mind. Let's go. It

no. It's just don't know. It's just a different thing. Like, it's just constant.

Like, and I suppose because you don't really do much. You know, it's you sort

of get repetitive day in day out. Yeah. Bit of groundhog day. Right?

Massively. Yeah. And then if other areas of your life aren't going that well. And

when you're not sleeping Yeah. Sleep is a massive thing. It's just

that relentless only snap and then Yeah. You know,

like it just has it just doesn't stop. Yeah. There's no even room for it.

Circuit breaker. Like, you just don't have that circuit breaker. And it's no it's not

anyone else's like, they you can't get in laws or my parents

or someone to take them. Like, that's not their job. That's our job. Mhmm. And

that's probably been the hardest thing just to find ways to, like,

stay recharged and stay on when you're not. Yep. And then

you've gotta then you've gotta try and figure out, oh, I'm all happy and get

up and talk to 300 people about their mental health and being happy. And I'm

like, ah. I guess it's interesting. Like, you're just a hypocrite. Like,

not a hypocrite, but, I mean, you wear all these masks and Yeah. You just

gotta sort of get on with it. Or what do we like, we just spoke

about, you know, when I'm feeling shit, I just need sometimes I just need to

take a few days. I'm just sitting there going,

oh. You don't get to take you know, you don't get to have a a

time off. So But that's that's what I've signed up for. Do you know what

I mean? And but but saying that, it's still okay as well

that I'm struggling with it. Mhmm. Yep. And I don't know. I really am. Like,

I think that's good that you're honest about it. 100% I am. And And it

is. These these years, you know, babies yeah. Babies are hard.

Newborns are hard. But 2 I had you know, I've obviously got 2

boys. And toddlers, boys when they're little, they are nonstop.

Back to little you Too little mateys. He's

the tree. Alright. But these are Dale, I'll I'm here to tell you

that these are the hardest times, and it does get easier. Yeah. And I can

see I reckon I can see a little twinkle in Jack's eye. I reckon he'll

be a great dad one day. Wee. Oh, hold on. Hold on.

One day, I think. One day. Yeah. One day. So you're a spring chicken, mate.

You got plenty of use in You are. Plenty of use. To worry about that.

But, no, I think that's, I think that's one thing that, you know,

females are very good at talking about. Be I acknowledge it the other

day to pray. I said, yeah. I'm she goes, I know you're struggling. I go

Yeah. I've really been struggling. Like struggling. Mhmm. You know? And that's it's

once I've sort of admitted that, it's been like, last week, it starts to

feel a bit better. Yeah. Because it's fucking hard, isn't it? Yes.

Because when you carry things without the virus And people can say, look, bring you.

You're not an idiot. Yeah. And I'm acting like it's okay. And then I snap

it. Good that you can actually, you know, have that open

communication. Because communication's a key to anything. Right? And to say to your wife,

I'm fucking struggling here. Yeah. Communicate is a key to anything. Yeah. You know? Totally.

Yep. Yep. So on that, Dale Mhmm. How do you get

yourself out of a funks? Well, as I said,

talking about it, but then taking action. Yeah. And I know

there's just things that are not negotiable for me. It doesn't like, the gym for

me is that's it's probably like ice bath or the

ocean. Do you mean, like, that's what you gotta do? Yeah. For me, getting out

of something, it's about doing things for myself and being consistent. Because the

mornings, my alarm goes on 4:30, and I'm not in a good place. It's

the last thing I wanna do is get up, but that's when I get up

no matter what. Yeah. And as I said, I've been struggling probably the last couple

of months. And I looked at my phone the other day, and I've been I

have not missed a day at the gym in the last 40 days. Unreal. And

that's because very proud of. Yeah. I I am proud of it, but it's

I just think if you start not doing those things for yourself, it

starts reflecting in all areas. If you slowly start

just, oh, I'll be right or snooze or I won't do it for me, I

need to do that in the morning because then I know, bang, I could do

that. I can do other things. I can show up. So I think

that's really important for me. Doing something for myself first thing in the

morning. That doesn't matter what it is. Not negotiable. Yeah.

And because I've been able to do that, I think it's allowed me to have

more clarity, and I'm I'm a lot more I could I could figure things out.

Whereas if I wasn't doing that, there's no more You're a bit better

dad, a better husband? Yeah. And I think it's allowed me to

reflect and see that I'm not going that well in other areas of my life

Yep. And sort of talk about it and seek other things. Mhmm. Yeah. But

without that, I don't think I would've yeah. That would've happened. Mhmm.

Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. It's like the hard if you don't go through the

hard stuff, you don't get a rainbow without rain, do you? I do like that

one, Giro. It's very good. I think as you said too, that

you give yourself as soon as you give yourself an inch, we take

a mile now. It's like, so, know, you've got some certain,

you know, I'm exactly the same with, you know, whatever it might be,

drinking, partying, you know,

eating food, all that kind of stuff. Like as soon as I sort of dropped

the ball a little bit, it's like, okay, well, I've done that now. Now I

can go a bit further. Now I can go further. So that having

that structure and the consistency Like, consistency in, like, just one

thing. Let's just have one thing to yourself. Like,

if if you're not doing that Yeah. Then just you're not winning

anything. Yeah. Whereas, like, I at least know of one something in the

morning Yeah. That Completely. Whatever else happens, at least I've got that. Yeah.

And I can always remind myself, but you're good enough to do that. Yep. You

can do this. Or I don't know. These are little battles you have with yourself.

Just like how you speak to yourself. Isn't it like the fact that you get

up every morning, you can you can speak to yourself in a

positive way. Whereas if you didn't and you

missed a few, then when the little depth creep in,

instead of going, nah, you did that. Like, you're a good, you know, mate, look

at yourself. You did really well instead of that. You're all and you

miss that and you and you're struggling here and Yep. And then then

it can just go. Whereas when you lock something in yeah. That's what I found.

My 6 AM dips and my mortisee dippers are just non

negotiable now. Yeah. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 6 AM no matter what.

Yeah. This morning, it was the last thing I felt like doing. Look, we don't

know if it matches. Like drag your

sorry ass down there and you're never gonna regret it. Like, you're never gonna

regret going to the gym. Yeah. You're never gonna regret, you know,

speaking to that person Yeah. To help you get out of your funk. And you're

never gonna regret a nice bath, are you, dad? No. Now that I'm gonna

feel my fingers again. But I think that's yeah. If anyone is

going through something, like, you just need to do something for yourself,

a small day. Doesn't matter what it is. No. That's no. People always say, where

are you gonna start? I always say, get up 10 minutes early and just walk

around the block. Just go for a walk, unless you've done something for you. Don't

take your phone. Out of the house. Go for a 10 minute walk. Yep. And

that's really important in this. You know, ice baths aren't for everyone. Cold water.

Mhmm. But something that that gets you up and about and overly excited.

Yeah. Yeah. Something for yourself. And I think something that you enjoy

because then you're gonna be more likely doing it. You have to enjoy. Well, that's

why I walk. I feel it's easy because it's a small win that anybody

well, most people can do. Yep. Yep. You know? Whereas getting up and

to go into a gym class, some people may not be able to afford it

or they may not have a gym, or they're bored, they may not be able

to go to the gym. But most people can go for a walk. And that's

That's right. I think just starting small. Like, don't see Yeah. Start. Definitely. New Year's

resolution. How many people break it by February? Totally. Because it's too hard, and they

go too hard on themselves. Yep. And then they miss one day or something, and

they the way they speak to themselves is horrible. Yeah. I don't know exactly what

he's mentioned there. And to me, often, you know, I'm hard on myself. I think

I should you know, I need to do more exercise, more walking.

But I'll often choose a cold water dip at the bay opposed to going for

a walk before work or whatever because I think, okay, what's actually

gonna make me feel the best for me for the day? What do I love

most? Mhmm. And it's getting in the cold water. Yep. That's that's that's what we

just said. I couldn't agree more. Yep. Find what what warms

you or fucking freezes you. And if that floats

your boat, good on you. So on that note, Jacko Yes?

Gibo? Yes, Jacko. What's ish?

What does your favorite day look like? Oh, shoot.

My favorite day. Okay. My favorite day Let's

set the scene here. Oh, look. It'd be it'd

be waking up with Alan. I probably well,

I'd go to the gym, so I'd get to a 6 AM body fit

class. I'd come back, Ellen and I, I'd get her out of

bed, take the dogs down to the general store. She loves her

coffee. So grab a coffee, go for a walk around the block, walk the

dogs. And then, you know, I mean a normal day we're off, off

to work. And then,

you know, post work would usually like she loves a bit of core

plus pilates. So go into a hot mat Pilates, sweat it

out, go to the supermarket together, buy dinner, come home, cook

it and then jump on the couch, watch a little

episode of how's your brain baby reindeer.

Sorry. Once again, I actually like it.

Oh. That's not good enough. That would be my ideal day.

So I I can hear a bit of the big l word in there. What's

he? There's a lot of love there. Oh, what's A bit teddy bear.

Good is that? When I say when I asked you, what does

your favorite day look like? You know, most people or you think, you know,

you'd think of bells and whistles and, you know,

best golf day or, you know, but it was literally Maybe. Maybe. That that Jack

says shoot. You work with golf a lot. So Yeah. But what I mean is

your your favorite day looks like it just a normal

everyday. So you're living your best life. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's very lucky at the moment. Things might

be about to change, but, but yeah. Present, big

boy. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. There's a bit going on at the moment.

But, but, yeah, I think I just appreciate

I think that's it's so important to appreciate the little things and the simple things

like, you know, yeah. The coffee in the morning and, and to

be, and just, I don't know, just be grateful for like

the life that I've got. Because

yeah, I mean, look, obviously we have our ups and downs and we, you

know, sometimes we're at each other and blah, blah, blah. But,

and life, you know, work doesn't go great or this doesn't go great or, you

know, but, overall it's a pretty bloody

good life that I get to live and And I think that's the key, isn't

it? It's none of us are promised tomorrow. Mhmm. For all we know,

this is well, I don't wanna bring in them all, but but, you know Yeah.

Like,

I forget to buy car. I'm gonna walk out of here. So I suppose all

in court. I'll leave it at court. It's so pretty safe. Phew. Your kids' courts

are good. But, that was nice jacket. Yeah. Really nice.

So, Dale, what's your favorite day look like? Very similar. Like,

I very important to get up and go to the gym in the morning. So,

normally, it'd be a Sunday, this would be,

where Brie I might go in the morning and Brie might go afterwards.

Then we get both the boys and we walk down to the beach, grab a

coffee. We're at this spot. We just sit and they wanna go out in the

sand, they do and I just not big fan of the beach. So I don't

mind looking at it, but I'll be off especially that cold water. Bad. I really

like sand. So mortiseedippers

is your worst nightmare. Oh, it's not. I keep trying to get me there, and

I'm like, oh. It's not gonna happen. I don't really like sand. I don't like

cold water. Do what you enjoy if it's not you I do love the beach.

I love looking at it. It makes like, it's nice. Yep. But that's the

only thing to me. No. It's not. Because normally then in summer too, it's too

hot. It's a lot too cold. Like, it

anyway, Yep. That's not just just how it is. That's why you got the big

pool out the back. Got the pool. But, yeah. And then obviously

come home, and then when the boys sleep, so I I don't know. Just sort

of chilling out. He might go for a ride with him or I don't know.

Just getting outside. Yeah. That's particularly Especially with boys.

Particularly, that's been the biggest thing is just just being

outside. Yep. Yeah. Because you get sick of yeah. You

get sick of your 4 walls pretty quickly. Yep. And yeah.

So anything to start in the morning, do something nice, spend a bit of

time together. Yeah. Very fortunate. Love that about

you boys is that your favorite day is, you know, it's

not nothing, out of the ordinary. It's not, you know,

wanting huge Don't get me wrong, Gibo. If you you offer me a private

jet down to bamboozle and, you know, maybe a weekend down there

playing golf, I'm not gonna say no. That's not true. We'll save that for the

end of your party. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Christmas

party weekend. Yeah. Do we have an end of financial year party? Sure. I

think so. Sure. Well It's 2 weeks old. I think probably. I

guess today we've made so much money this point in time. Today's

a good a day as any. I think it's tax order for me. Did you

put those cans in the ice bath, Dale? I did. We got them. We got

a cup. Not in here. It's getting quite warm. It's here my hand to take

Before I ask the last question I've got on my little list, I do wanna

say, you know, it's I feel absolutely honored and

stoked to be asked to be a part of this and help produce

with you guys because 2 of the biggest legends I've ever met.

Givar. That's true. Now I'm lucky.

No. But you just you're very real, honest

people, and what the podcast has brought to

my life and what you guys have brought to my life,

is unreal. And, you know, you should be so proud of yourselves

to, you know, 2 guys with a passion for life.

What gets them Learning. All things are getting done for now. Blessings.

That's what we're gonna say. That's how we're saying laugh. It's all we're welcome to

the podcast. What episode are we up to, Jacko? He doesn't know. But

it is. You should be so proud of yourselves because, you

know, yeah. Thank you, Chris. I'm such a legend. And we

and look, I mean, since the day I met you, we're

all a bit of weird. We're all a bit of wonderful. We've all got that

little bit of, you know, we're a bit left to center and I think that's

why we mix so well and, and,

and I think also, like, I love the fact that we're all,

we're, we're open to new

and wonderful things. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's what I think I

love about all of us. It's like, there's no judgment or there's

no sort of, you know, hesitancy to try

things or just no lack of support, you know, and that's,

and, you know, especially with you, like you're just the most

loyal, supportive, Always go above

instead of 6 bags of ice, bring 8. But, like

As soon as jump into things, I was very hesitant today. But besides that

Exactly. But it's just it's it's really not it's it's lovely to

know that you've got, that you've got my back. I know you've got my back

no matter what, you know. No matter what. Yeah. And we've only known each other

what? You and I maybe, just over a year, 18 months

tops. Met because at, Mates?

Mates. I was like, what's he? Can I get a photo for the family?

And what she would've paid the best friend here? History.

Sat down and had a drink and realized, you know, I've said to you a

few times, I feel like we're like twins 10 years apart separated at

birth. Yeah. It's a bit like that, isn't it? Yeah. But But now

it's a it's a good thing we got going. And, to get you on on

board is, you know, I think we're the lucky ones, I always say. 100%

kiwo. That's exactly you so much for, for all the work you've already

done. And, looking forward seeing what we can produce. Yep. And as

you say, trying new things, I reckon moving forward, you know, I

reckon before your next episode, just the 2 of you, I wanna set you a

challenge. Mhmm. Alright, mate. Maybe,

set the scene outside Mordy Alec Yep. Outside the

Woolies there down the steps. Maybe give out a few free hugs. Free hugs. Free

hugs. We could get a little sign saying free hugs. You know I'm a free

you know I'm a hugger. So you're a hugger. Bring it on. Let's do it.

Yep. I reckon give out some free hugs and just see where that see where

that takes us. Yep. Get a bit more, a bit

more active on the socials. Yes. That's what we're gonna do. Totally.

Yep. Trying to do that. We'll be doing that. Been one of the hardest things.

We're both, I think both of us have tried to take a step

back from social pisses. Here I come. There's been much

happening. Yeah. It's funny because it's like I I know personally,

like, fucking Instagram for me is just like We're talking about you always answer the

messages in Instagram chat. Sorry about that, Gibbo. You

know? But I think I I do have messy. That. I I text them as

a group on Instagram, and then I do a group message

on text message, and then it's just to chat. You know

the time. Right? 1 PM. 1:30 today, Jack.

Where'd that half an hour go? I don't know where I don't know how that

happened. You just make numbers up and go over. Are not too bad, but

No. You're alright. But it is interesting, like, Instagram, like, I've just

basically tried to get off it because it's just a life sucker for me. Like,

I don't I'd It's a leech. It's a leech. It really is. But

then, you know, with stuff like this, like, I'd love to get more involved

and, you know, blah blah blah. And I think the thing is when people see

on socials, like, whether, you know, Dale having his first ice bath, getting out

of your comfort zone, giving a few free hugs in Morty Mhmm. You know, you

have no idea the impact that those little videos and things have on people and

think, fuck. That's cool. Yeah. I suppose it is a positive video.

Exactly. And that's the thing. Yeah. And and it's

the the issue is, like, yeah, I'll I'll jump on for that and I'll yeah,

that's positive. We're positive. And then 2 hours later. You're still

on the You you guilty of it. I know. You're like, I'm

very guilty of that. That guy's killing him. I'm like, oh, no. What's the what's

the there's a meme, that my I sent to my

husband. There's no one else I'd rather lie in bed next to and scroll on

my phone with. Well, I think we're all busy now. Yeah.

It's life we live. So I'm gonna ask you one more question.

Mhmm. We'll stay with you there, Watsy, and we'll go back to you, Dale. Mhmm.

How do you wanna be remembered? Oh, how

do I wanna be remembered? I just want to be remembered

as someone who was who was happy, who brought energy

and and was great to be around, treated

people really well with respect and love and care.

And like, I think, yeah, I think if I can, you know,

be remembered as someone who, you know, went

out of his way to to love and care and make people feel

better about themselves, then that's all I can really ask

for, to be honest. So And I can say firsthand that that's who

who you are, and you will be remembered for that. Keep keep

being you. Oh, keep being me. Yep. That's it. Love that.

Exciting? I'd say mine's very like, it's not just cliche, but I'd say

it's very similar, that I wanna leave the place

better than what when I came into it. Yep. And I wanna make people feel

special. I wanna make people have fun. I mean, that's sort of

the mission I'm on, particularly work wise, is I wanna

allow a space for people to have fun again because I think

even before COVID, you know, our lives are so serious, and we'd forgotten how

to do it. But then, you know, a couple of years of lockdowns, particularly Melbourne,

people have sort of lost that joy, that spark. And something they don't

know how to, but rediscovering that inner child and just allowing that

space to have fun. So for me, I wanna try and bring that into all

areas of my life. And probably the most important thing is get better at being

a dad and and be a good dad. And I think that's the biggest challenge

I'm going through at the moment. But overall, I just wanted to remember to

someone that always was up and about had fun.

And, yeah, yeah. I think that is a bet, like, to have fun. Even

me just now, I'm just thinking, like, personally, I

would love, like, I think I'd do an okay job at that, but I could

be so much better because we take life so seriously

serious and, and, and, and like So short. And it's just

all work and this and that and so,

like, no one's gonna remember you, you know? No. Like, we're

all gonna be done in 50 years, like, you're dead, you're finished. Like,

nothing and and it's as simple as that. Like,

why why am I worrying about, you know, the fact that I haven't

bloody finished my homework or the fact the fact that I haven't done this or

So true. Go and enjoy your life. Be present. Mhmm. Coming back to

being present, isn't it? Don't Don't buy green bananas because you can't eat them. I

I love that. I buy green bananas. Don't buy something or do something that

you can't do right now. Yeah. Stop putting things off. Yep. And I

guess, just do it now. Because as you said, you don't know

what's going on tomorrow. No. Yep. And if you have a ice pass, you

probably won't have many more days. No. You'll have more

days. I just have to get in there. This is nice. I feel so

good at the moment. I'm a fuck.

I'll tell you what. I feel I feel 30 years younger now. So

here's a stat for you. Here's a stat. Oh, it's stat. You guys, how old

are you? Oh, I'm 33. I'm 39. Okay. You're a bit

older. So let's go with Jack. 33. I'm nearly

43. So 10 years your senior. But the funny thing is with

all the ice bars, I'm gonna live 10 years longer than you. Well,

I've I've also heard that if you, cuddle

someone at night Yes. And then I'm gonna

live longer than you because I'm I tell you what, I think I've got the

biggest stat. If you listen to the overly excited podcast and you share it with

your friends, you're fucking

immortal. Oh, I love that. Oh, it's a beautiful way to finish it.

That great stat to have. Birthday, boys. You

should be very proud of yourselves, and I'm so stoked to jump on this

journey with you. I love those questions, Givar. Keep them coming. It

was good to sort of it's funny because when it's just you and I, we

don't delve into No. I'm gonna get that team. No. It was nice. Things,

but that was Yeah. I thoroughly enjoyed that. That was beautiful. So And I have

to say, I was pretty nervous coming in, Mate, you put it in the pod

today. You know, I was a bit quiet at the start there. I was looking

around. Produce them at the most. Produce them at the end. That's you.

Well, everyone, thank you very much. Great episode. Happy Friday. Happy

there's fucking Friday. Tomorrow's Friday. Have

fun. If you end, see you later.