The Overly Excited Podcast

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Welcome to the overly excited podcast hosted by Jack Watts and Dale

Sidebottom. 2 friends with a passion for life, learning and all

things that get them jumping out of their

seats. Hello, everyone. Happy Friday when this

comes out. Believe it or not, it's

not live. I'm sure you you found out over the last few

episodes, but we are very very lucky, Sadi,

today. We are very lucky. We have Kaye Waddy in the

building. Kaye Waddy. We have the Kingston

woman of the year in the house ready to talk talk to us

today. Amy, thank you so much for joining us.

First of all, first question we always ask is,

this is the overly excited podcast. We like to get overly excited. I

know you enjoy getting overly excited. What is it in

your life at the moment that makes you

makes you jump out of your skin, gets you out of bed, gets you excited?

Oh, so many things. I think the main thing at the moment

is bringing a outdoor sauna to the bay

side area of Mordialloc. Exciting. Yeah.

So I think just yeah. In general, just community

and wellness and yeah. Anything that's just giving

me meaning and purpose. Just yeah. Yep. Because that's we met

down at Mordy Alec. I think it was during

Mordy Fest with I've certainly had a few beers, but, you know,

you maybe had 1 or 2 with our beautiful producer,

Kristen McGeary. And, you know, you meet people in life

and it was just pretty easy between us, wasn't it? We had a

little chat and then, you know, I

found out that you started founded the more DC

Dippers, which is just an incredible community based, you know,

program down, getting down to the beach and helping people out and, you

know, lifting people up. That's how I see it. Like you're bringing joy and

purpose to people who, you know, who who wanna get involved.

So tell us a bit more about that. Yeah. Well, it's, it's

exactly all of those things. So I think, people

draw different things from it, but it's given a lot of people a sense of

belonging. It also really just gets people out of their comfort zone

of obviously, it's going into the cold water, but there's so many

layers to it other than the cold. A lot of it is, like, people

have made, like, now probably long life

friendships from this group. Also, we do lots of

fun activities. So people really get out of their comfort zone

and get to sort of do things that they wouldn't normally do.

So, yeah. It's it's there's a lot of layers to see this, but I'd say

the social aspect to it as as well as, like, the health

benefits that you get from going into the cold water. Yeah.

It's just an it's just a really loving, uplifting

space. How how did it get started? Yeah. I'm interested in

that too. Like, did you just one night go down the beach and start dipping

and go we're in Mordy? Yeah. We're in the sea. I'm dipping. Yeah. They just

got people along? Yeah. Well, I mean, it sort of it started from a

low place for me. So I like many that had come out

of COVID, I felt very alone. I also

have I I have a condition that I live with called PMDD,

which is premenstrual dysphoric disorder for people that don't know why I'm

here. Said that, Aimee, because I was researching that, and I'm like, wait. I'm

I'm not in my words for the best of time. To

share me.

I'm not gonna say something. Well, it's actually more common than

people realize. 1 in 20 women suffer this condition. It's

very under researched. So, yeah, and

the treatments are average at best for for

treating it. So, I spent nearly my whole

life really trying to find ways to, you know,

help, antidepressants was it's probably the first line

option, which just didn't really it didn't really help because it's

only something you experience for part of the month, so it's all to do with

the woman's menstrual cycle. And I wasn't depressed. It was

just during this time, which, is during the liddial phase of

a woman's cycle, they experience these symptoms. So antidepressants

didn't help for me because I would spend half the month feeling fine.

Yeah. So I but I was struggling at that particular time. I think a

combination of COVID and, you know, being quite

isolated and then obviously having to deal with the symptoms on top of that. And

I didn't realize how much the social element did help. So having

that cut off and then dealing with the symptoms was yeah. It was

really tough. I had a friend who also suicided during

that time, so that also added added to it.

And then I think I came across something to do with Wim Hof and,

the cold water, and it was something I hadn't tried. So, yeah, I

thought, what the hell? So I tried it. I think I did 60 days straight

in in in the bay. 2 weeks of that, I bribed my teenage

son to come with me. And yeah. But it

did it did improve my symptoms dramatically, and just

overall, not just during, you know, my symptomatic time, but also

the the remainder of the month. I felt just super focused and super pumped up

and, yeah, I just had a lot more drive and a lot more focus with

just so many different areas of my life. So I wanted

to make it a regular a regular thing, and I

just figured that to keep myself accountable would be great if I could just find

a couple of other like minded people that would be crazy enough to do this

with me a couple of times a week. So I initially just came up with

2 days that I thought would be enough to keep me keep me focused. So

that was Tuesday Saturday. And then, yeah, just just

went from there. Yeah. With that, like, I know cold water therapy, it's

massive. Like, a guy would train with the gym. I won't say his name, but

he suffered a lot of anxiety. And every morning, he does an ice bath now,

and he reckons it's completely gone. Yeah. On the opposite, I remember

playing footy in Mansfield, and you'd get off the ground. It's really snowing, and

you'd be forced to have a cold shower, but then an ice bath. Yeah. I've

got, like, severe anxiety around getting into one of those

because I just remembered that. I'm like, oh, I don't want it. But there's

I'm reading more and more about it, like Yeah. So how does it help you

with PMDD? I'm not gonna say the but how how

does it help you? Like, what what does it do? Well, physically, it just

helps symptoms. So during that time, there's a lot of muscle pain,

aches. Mentally, you can yeah. Feel quite

low. And so the I mean, the cold water just from a physical standpoint will

just instantly, like, shifts you out of any sort of pain. It's like

having a really supercharged anti inflammatory or something if you get

into that super cold water when you get out. So it would

instantly fix any sort of aches and pains that I had. But then, you

know, it would then the the mental side of it. So I found that it

would then start to alleviate how I felt in terms of how low my

mood was and things like that. My mood was definitely uplifted after after

going into the cold. I find, like, just especially starting your day with it. Like,

I've did something similar a month or 2 in the bay every every

morning, and I'll find just, like, starting your day with something like that.

That's like, no one really wants to go down at 6 AM.

No. I don't. I don't. Yeah. You know? I still don't. Like, oh, I can

jump you out. Oh, that's good to hear. The beauty

of it is, like because everyone, once they do it, they wanna tell the world

because it's they've done something hard Yeah. That no one else is doing. Yeah. No

one else is getting up in the morning, putting themselves in this pain. Yeah. And

it is it's hard. It's uncomfortable. Nothing's harder. Right? So then whatever you're

else you're faced with That's a good point. Throughout the day or throughout the week,

it's like you've you've done that. So other things tend to just, you know,

you know, you're not sort of facing them as yeah. Yeah. It puts things in

perspective. It's like, you know, you go to the gym every morning. That's sort of

your way of, like, starting the day on the right note. Mhmm. I think Win

the morning when did that I hate that, but it's true. Yeah. Like, it really

is. Isn't it? It is. It is if you're sitting in bed doing nothing all

morning. Although some people love that. Oh, no. They do love that. I'm winning the

morning for them. So with the I'm huge on

community, and I think, yeah, it comes in all different shapes and forms, Amy. Like,

and essentially, that's what you created. Mhmm. But it's you do something positive

together. Mhmm. How has it just evolved? Like, and have you been,

like, really surprised that, you know, you started doing something for

yourself? Yeah. And then, obviously, you've been out to create a community of like minded

people and help so many others? Yeah. Yeah. Look, it blows me

away still to this day and seeing the connections

that have been made and the friendships and that continue to do so and seeing

new people turn up and get so much out of it, I think

is yeah. I feel really, like, it's it's amazing and it just

the the the type of people it's attracted as well, it's so diverse, but

I think it's just and everyone really keeps each other to that highest

standard as well of, like, really accepting everyone as they

are. And I really love that too. I I see it. I see it

week in, week out of this just come as you are. And I

think too, it's rare that it and I again, I know everyone says

this about take your mask off, but it truly is a a a space where

you can come and you're not impressing anyone. You can

come. You can be having a shit day. You can have a cry. Someone will

be there to listen. There's always someone, you know, with an empathetic ear. And

I think spaces like that are rare when it's it's that diverse. You've got older

people, younger people. Also and even that dynamic, you're really

learning from each other. The the the people that are in their seventies that

come really say they love because it's like the younger people there. It's

keeping it's keeping them young. Yeah. But then we've got, you know, we've got

young people in their twenties that are like having conversations with, you

know, say women, older women who are in their seventies or sixties, and they're

learning, you know, through conversation and storytelling too. So I

think that that's a really unique and special

thing. I love, like, we we speak about a lot on this pod, like,

today's day and age of comparison and social media.

And, and like it is, it is a really tough sort of social setting

out there, I feel. And that's one thing with the dippers. It's

like, and as you said, there's so many people out there

that are craving that sort of acceptance, but it's really

hard to find. I think in your own age, definitely.

And in your social setting when you're going out, but you

know, anywhere really. And, and that's what I find, you know, once you get

the majority of your group on board and you know,

obviously because you started it and you're leading the charge and that's, you know, your

values except anyone, everyone and anyone for who they are

so powerful. I think like because then when people come in

and straight away they see the standard, they see what's accepted there

and Mhmm. You know. And it helps them grow too because they then where they

might have had prejudice before or it makes them sit back and

go, you know, and and myself included, you know, with

how much I've grown in the last few years by being around, you

know, such a diverse group of people that don't necessarily think in the same way

you do or have the same, like, we're all obviously like

minded

really a really important Yeah. Yeah. Thing to be surrounded by

people like that. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I couldn't agree more. And I think when

people come into an environment like that, it's really refreshing.

And I think more and more people are realizing that now, particularly, like leaders in

business or coaches or anyone in any aspect, you have to be like

that. Yeah. Unfortunately, people have got a lot of scar tissue because

previously, they've had probably a really bad experience. Yeah.

So I think that's amazing. So let's talk about Kingston Woman of the Year. Woo

hoo. We've got royalty. Wow. We've got royalty

in the house. Talk to us about this. So obviously

for the city bus, is that where it's So yeah. For the city

bus. Yeah. It was a huge

shock actually, because there was some amazing nominees.

There's 29 nominees within Kingston who, yeah, who are all

incredible in doing such amazing work. So but also,

like, pretty special that they acknowledged a community group like this.

Yeah. So, obviously, it was the theme was inclusion. So I think, you

know, Morrissey Dipp has definitely sort of fitted that theme.

So, yeah, I just feel really honored to have received this award and, yeah,

it's been great. Also, just now getting out in the community and going to lots

of different events and seeing all the other cool things that people are creating and,

you know, getting involved with different different things that sort of sparks my

interest. Was it, obviously, it's you did it off your own bat and it

was, you know, I guess it would be, you know, there's a fair bit

of organization and and like I have to say the first

the first yeah. Yeah. Because that's what I that's what I see. It's like, I

think so many people sort of like, oh, yeah. That'd be great. Exactly.

But then am I willing to, you know, get around to everyone on

Monday night and let them know that this has changed or this has done that

and you're not getting paid for it and you're not getting this and you're putting

all your time. You gotta you gotta your own life, you know? So like,

that's one thing that I really admire is, you know, you've really, you are doing

this for others Yeah. And yourself, obviously. But it's but it

it, you know, at some point it is, you know, it does take up a

lot of effort and time. Yeah. So And I think, like, initially it's interesting

because initially, I probably was doing it more from a

keeping me accountable and, you know, what the benefits I was gonna receive from it.

But, like, very quickly, it turned into

I could see what it was giving other people, and then that just, you know,

that it just gave me back so much watching, you know,

people's lives. It really did chain has changed lives. Well,

Kristen talks about it pretty openly, doesn't she? Like Yeah. Well, Kristen's a good example,

and, you know, she's had dips with her mental health and, you know, and and

she says to me that it's the most, you know, level she's ever been in

terms of just, yeah, her mental health. And we've had we've we've

had many, many stories of addictions and, we've had a few that

started just when they were had started their sobriety

at that time, and now they're, like, 2 years in and thriving. And,

you know, we've had people change careers and change

jobs, and I think just just being in that supportive environment and

having feedback from different people has helped them sort of step into new

levels of confidence. And, yeah, I mean, we've had some super shy

people show up that, like and I think because our social media

is very, like, yo, like, dancing. Like, we're like this crazy

group, like, you know, I wish there's some key people that drive

that. But if you actually come down, you see

that there is, there yeah, there's a lot of layers to the people that

come in there. There are in fact a lot of introverts that come to see

differs. And it really you you really can't put it

c dippers into a box of any one thing, because some people might say, oh,

it's a lot of young people. It's not. There's a lot of old, but I

guess, from a social media standpoint, obviously, you know, promoting all

the fun bits. But, yeah, we've had a lot of, like,

people come along who are sort of socially not as, you know, not as

strong, I guess, having conversations with people and they're a bit more introverted. And, honestly,

seeing them flourish within, like, 3, 4, 6 months

to now is is mind blowing. And yeah. So it

it really has impacted a lot of people. Often people like that just need a

bit of support. But how hard is this? Like, It's they're the ones that need

it, but I don't think COVID's been really negative on this. And

now people are even more, like, even more scared to do

something that takes a bit of risk or step into the unknown, and

you're so you get so much reward from doing it. Yeah. Do you I get,

I guess, people that actually have the courage and turn up. They say that,

but but so many people need it, but they I don't know. They they they

just can't do it anymore. Yep. Yeah. And you do. You see the

ones that turn up on their own, like, hide sort of like give them the

biggest hug and I'm like, well done. Yes. That's, you know, that

takes a lot of courage to show up, you know, when you don't know

anyone in a community that is quite established. So but that's the

other thing. Like, everyone's very mindful of always trying to sort of make sure everyone

feels included when they come down because the group has got quite friendly

now. Like, so yeah. But it is a very welcoming space.

So yeah. And what about the saunas? So the new venture?

Yeah. Let's let's just let's get right. Let's see. So

exciting. So exciting. Because I can remember, you know, how long

ago was it when you first saw that? Yeah. That's right. And we started

talking about it and it was a dream and it was and it's come to

life. So take us through the journey. Yeah. So I,

I have been going to sauna for probably

15 years. I would say there's a little Dom Tatnell, leisure

center. I don't know if you guys know that. Anyway, it's a local one. It's

closed down now but, it was was just a small little leisure center.

So 15 years, I was sort of going along to there. And

yeah. I think Sona is similar to like Maudie Sea Dippers in terms

of community, like, in a lot of the Nordic countries and things they use at

friends and family will get together and have sauna.

So, yeah, I I sort of there was a community group

there within the leisure center, and we all sort of got to know each other

and it was very diverse as well. Lots of Russians and Finns and,

Chinese women that would come along, and they all had their own little ways of

how they did it and different things they would bring along. A Chilean man would

bring his whiskey and have that halfway halfway through.

And I always found it really fascinating, like the different yeah.

Even then, like and obviously it was in Australia, but there was all these different

cultures bringing their own spin on how they would sauna. And

so I used to always talk to the Russians and, like, speak to how, you

know, what their traditions were. So I've always been really just fascinated by the

the culture around sauna. Yeah. And then I think

COVID hit and we then couldn't we couldn't go to sauna and I got

one at home. But then I soon realized that what I actually

loved about sauna was the people and the conversations and

yeah. So I yeah. This is sort of fun. I went to

Tassie and went to one that was outdoor in Tassie, the floating sauna, which

is incredible if any if anyone wants to go to an amazing sauna, it's in

Lake Derby in Tassie. And it was That's a pretty regular thing

in the Nordic countries, isn't it? They have the big floating and that it's almost

like a social event. Well, in Finland, it's like nearly every household

has a sauna. Yeah. And and normally, it's like

a outdoor sort of situation and they either roll in the snow

or they'll go into a body of water or lake. And so yeah.

That would be cold. Yeah. You then you got you get in the

beautiful

We have to get you down. We gotta get Saudi in the wall.

I'll watch you from the sauna, and they'll come back.

Come back. So the whole idea

with the sauna, it's near the water. So you hit the hot and cold therapy.

Is that Yeah. So it's mobile on a trailer. So I really

wanna bring, it is hot and cold therapy, but really sort of more

bringing the really authentic sauna bathing to Australia, which is there's

a deep history of it in all of these countries. And,

yeah, there's a lot of traditions. So, you know, Estonia, they

do, like, whisking, which is, with these handmade birch whisk,

which is like a self massage, thing, which is

really cool. Yeah. And then Germany, they have it's

called which is, which is actually like a

whole like, if you go to, Germany, and they they

have these crazy, like, big events where they'll have, like, a

100 man sauna, and you go in, they have a grandstand, you sit, and they,

like, have towel waving, and they have music, and it's like a full theater show.

Like, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's

it's it's massive. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. It's super fun. Super.

So, yeah, we'll sort of obviously, we're in quite a small sort of, like,

Bayside. That won't be that theatrical. But, yeah, we are gonna bring parts

of it. So they do what's called, like, these ice balls where they put over

the hot rocks to create steam, and it has essential oils in it. So we're

gonna bring parts of, like, different different little traditions

here. But the main thing is, like, the authentic sauna bathing,

which is roughly around an hour and a half to 2 hours and

3 rounds of, like, the hot heat, and then you would cool down

in in the ocean and then a rest period, and

then you repeat that process 3 times. Because I was gonna

ask actually because there's so many different theories

on how long you meant to be in there and what's Give us

so you're obviously well versed. Yeah. Well, it's a little bit depending

like, you adapt as well. So a little bit like the cold. Initially, when you're

going into the cold water, you probably can't last too long, and you gradually will

build up to that. So sauna is the same kind of thing, but on the

other extreme of the heat. So, you know, initially, you might only if it's

super hot, you might only be able to do 5 minutes. But then gradually over

time, you'll be able to build up to a little longer. Yeah. But generally, not

more than, you know, 15 to 20 minutes

in the morning. Hot. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Because they, you know, it's a traditional

sauna with steam and heat, so it is very hot. Yep.

Yeah. It's a little bit different to infrared, which generally you can stay in a

bit longer. Yeah. Sorry about that, everyone. The pool the pool.

Because that was in the studio. It's the backup generator

buzzing. I'm so sorry. Sorry. I was like, what is going on there? I don't

we must have recorded one at this time. It must have seen something goes off.

Yeah. So the I'm always interested with saunas as well, because

infrared ones now are, like, they're very cheap and easy to

get. Most people have got them. Yeah. What's the difference between infrared one

compared to, you know, the hotter ones like you were saying you're gonna have AMULA?

Is it the heat? Is that or is it Yeah. It's a different kind of

heat. I don't know a lot about infrared. I just know I prefer the

traditional, which is, hot rocks and you you

pour water over the rocks and it also creates the steam. Mhmm.

So, yeah, it's a lot it's a lot hotter than, in

infrared. So generally, yeah, you would only be able to stay in a in a

between 10 to max 20 minutes. Whereas infrared, you

can sort of stay in the air and definitely don't yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So the point of the traditional is similar to the similar to

the cold water. It's meant to be uncomfortable. That's that's because again,

it's just like the cold. You're building up that that tolerance,

and it's good to feel uncomfortable. So we want it to be

hot so that yeah. You're gradually building on that. So many amazing,

like, science scientific benefits on there. Like, I'm not I'm not totally

across them all, but just, you know, seeing the odd sort of Instagram

real pop up, it's like, you know, if you sauna 4 times a

week for 20 minutes a day or something, you reduce your cardiovascular

risk by 60% or something ridiculous on. And I think there's a lot of studies

with men actually. Yeah. And a lot on cardiovascular. And I think

if it's regular 3 times a week, it can, yeah, extend your lifespan

by an extra 9 years. Yeah. Wow. And then, you know, and and

then and a lot of the studies that actually have been done are on traditional

sauna as well. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I

think the combination of that and the cold and then community is

just a win win, really. Brilliant. I love it. Yeah. So

totally, I love the concept's brilliant. Yeah. You know, bring the sauna to the

beach. Yeah. Because then, you know, people are already doing the cold water

therapy. They Yep. They've got nowhere else to go. Yeah. And it's all there when

And it's nature. Right? Yeah. Correct. Grounding. Yep. It's like, you know,

beautiful. You're coming. It's getting people out and utilizing our beautiful

beaches that we have too. We do. So I'm guessing I know setting up

a business and getting insurance and all these things is pretty tough.

Help. Talk to us a little. Oh my god. You don't have to go into

all details, but Okay. I might be Kingston, California.

But no. I mean, there have been but it's new ground, right, to what we're

doing. So they haven't,

you know, this will be the first in in Victoria Metro,

or Melbourne Metro. So, yeah, it's kinda new ground that we've

had to cover. So yeah. There has been a lot,

a lot of ticking boxes, which we and also, like, we

had a lot of different locations. So this was sort of the

last location that, you know, that we could all agree upon. But, yeah. So

there was quite a few different, spots that we initially thought could

work. But, yeah, I'm super happy with with the location of where it

is. It's like it's just magical. Yeah. I'm looking

forward to giving it a go. So you said just as you came in, it's

it's down there ready. It's arrived this morning. Oh, boy. Wow. I had

to I was there early this morning, putting the stones into

the heater, and, yeah, we got it cranked up and Breaking news. So you've

heard of here first saw me cover. To work. Yeah. Well, you had you have

the sauna and went in yeah. Oh, wax. I know it's been I don't know.

Give I was saying it's been a long time. K. 18 months or something. Yeah.

Yeah. Was that to be your first one? Like, was it so surreal, or did

you ever think this day was gonna come? Yeah. Well, this yeah.

There's still there's still a few more weeks until launch date. I think once we

once I actually launch and take the first booking, it'll feel it'll feel real.

But, yeah, I just feel super super excited for the

community and, yeah, and what it's gonna bring. Yep. Yeah. Well, I'm

sure you've got a a pretty strong following down at Dippers that'll come

down and use it. So Yeah. And Dale and I will be Yeah. Selling a

set of car. Bring the people that can't do the call. Like, they'll come

in, hopefully enjoy the call. The gold one is bad if you know you're gonna

warm up. Yeah. That's the thing, like, at the moment, I did go in the

water yesterday up to about my hips, my legs, at the sea. Maybe

past your knee. Maybe I did. I didn't wanna my shorts wet, Jay. I need

very nice squash boys on him. Great brand, but he wasn't. I

do need more. But yeah. So you know what? But, yeah, I would I was

just worried it's too hard to get warm then. Yeah. Whereas if you

that's the best part of your back in back in the heat. So Isn't

that hot, like, part of the benefit from cold though is

reheating yourself up your body naturally? Yeah. So that's

why it's very much, like a rest

period before you go back in. So even after getting out of the cold,

we'll we'll have an area to cool down, have some hot tea, and sit

and rest. Yeah. So I think the rest is just as important

as as the heat and as the cold. So we'll really be sort of educating

people around that. That's what I find is like the timing.

I hate when it's like people really rush it. Like,

there's a, wellness center I've been going to just in Morty recently.

And you sort of you book in, but you book in for 30 minute sessions.

And that's sauna and ice bath. Yeah. I'm so pleased you raised that

because this has been a really big part of the business model. Yeah. Yeah. Getting

because I didn't want people to rush because the whole point of authentic saw them

bathing is really to really rest and switch off and not have your phone

and not feel like you gotta look at the time to, like, get out of

there. So Yeah. So it'd be an hour and a half

session, and we may look to do 2 hour sessions as

well. I did listen to the podcast the other day about you saying about

people talking, and how that Oh, okay. Yeah.

So actually I love it. We love it. Yeah. So I was actually I had

thought a lot about that. Obviously, because I wanna cultivate that community

feeling and conversation, obviously, is is an important thing with

this. But however, yeah, I have thought a lot

about perhaps at least offering, like, one session

a morning or a week where where it is a silent a silent one. So

for people that really just don't wanna go there with conversation,

can't take a long time. Sit next to Jack and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got Amy from Yeah. I'd probably be there chatting

away to your life. These 3 were

considered what other people might Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I just thought, oh,

I wanna go there to talk to everyone. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously everyone else wants

to do that. And they're like, actually, probably more than half of it. I

wasn't trying to be like I was just sort of saying, and you just gotta

look at the way the world is. Yeah. No. And I think it's still nice

to have that option. Yeah. Yeah. So And that's where I think when it's

when you take your time with it and you have longer there, you know, you

can have your 20 minute in the sauna, fully Zen. Yeah. And then you

get out and you get in the water with everyone and you can have that

conversation and you can, you know, you can sort of, yeah. It's not

as rushed and Yeah. Do you think that society though that we are

just rushed in everything? Yeah. Do you reckon people and I think what you're

doing is amazing because that period of time is what people need, but they

don't allow themselves because we're so busy. Yeah. Yeah. Do you reckon people are gonna

be like, I don't have that time. I I can't do it. I need the

30 minutes. I'll get it all done then. I've gotta go and be busy again.

Oh, definitely. And and a lot of the feedback I had initially was no. No.

Do express. We want this, you know. And and I I did head down

that road and then I I took a step back and went, no. This isn't

this. I want it to be fully immersed for people when

they come and enjoy because even just, you know, walking down to the beach and

having the dip and having a chat and coming back, it's, yeah, it's not a

it's not a quick process. In 30 minutes, I was like, this just it's it's

not gonna be And I think people are, like I think it's

definitely heading towards taking more time for yourself and

having more of an intention to set your day up or

to, you know, give yourself time, look after yourself. Because as you say,

like, no one we don't do it in today's world. And everyone's so

hectic and chaotic and rushed. And no wonder people get stressed

and then they're grumpy. And then they go home to their partner and they're grumpy

in one little thing and they snap and, you know, whereas, like, and

I I do floats as well. And in the float tank, and it's an hour

silent floating in this sort of, you know, non gravity thing. And I

just find I get out of that and nothing could bother me. Like,

someone can cut me off in the car and I'll just, yep, go for it

instead of jumping on the horn. I'm like, you idiot. Or, you know, or, you

know, someone could at work and, you know, say something or

do something. And it's like, it just washes over you because you're in this different

head space. Yeah. But we just not many people take that

time these days. I know I don't either. And And I really, like, want it

to be that space too where mates can catch up. That is the alternative to

the pub. Yeah. Because that's what Maudy C Dippers is too. Like, you

know, we'll meet at 6:45 AM, and I get home at, like,

9. I've had, like, a rave on the party. I'm, like, on the beach.

I've, like, gone and had coffee. I've, like, chatted to all these cool

people, had the most interesting conversations, and then I would just get home.

It's like 9 o'clock around your home. Why don't we do you know? Start the

day. That's amazing too. So I think it's,

yeah, really the long term goal is just to to to offer and we might

even we're looking at, like, doing a mateship Monday, which will be just just men,

and then having a sisterhood Thursday, which will be women and will offer

different things. So that that is definitely part of the vision

is away from the sauna to having sort of events

that will cultivate that coming where it's not around

alcohol. Yeah. So powerful. Because I know you listened to last week's episode,

but that was a big thing Yeah. That we spoke about because we get

something out of this because we do a podcast. But it's what we get outside

of that. Yeah. And that's essentially what a beautiful way to do it

because you get that space, but also looking after your body.

Yeah. And I think it's our generation that typically

abuse our body. Whereas younger generations, they know the benefits, and they're

not as Oh, they're amazing. Oh, I know they are. My daughter just did a

marathon. Marathons

at 20. I was doing a different kind of marathon. Friday to Sunday.

No. Exactly. So

Yeah. Oh, you know, no. I think that's where, like, it

needs the younger generation are teaching us. That's what the probably the best thing about,

you know, the sea dip is because you do have all those generations you learn

from them. But predominantly, you know, people in their, you know, thirties to forties,

bad habits. You know? And when we do catch up, it is normally

over alcohol. Yeah. Like And how do you meet people the older you

get as well? Like, to to well, to form new friendships or

Yep. Yeah. So to have more spaces where people can come together and

nurture. You know, if you speak to most people, once you start reaching thirties,

forties, it it is certainly harder to form those new friendships. Yep.

Big time. Because everyone everyone has their guards up. I mean, it's like so

much free, you know, experience and life, Yeah. Whatever, you

know, shit that's happened to everyone. And that's, that's the beauty of

the dippers. And I'm sure, you know, is it seesaw seesaw seesaw salt. Sea salt.

Yeah. And a bit more intimate to us. So I feel like, you know, people

yeah. I'd go perhaps a little bit deeper on conversations and things like that when

it's a little bit of a smaller group. Because when, like, I think people are

crying out for it, but it's it's it's creating that environment where

it's where it's comfortable. And it's yeah. Because I I yeah. I know we've

spoken about it and we've spoken to plenty. Like, I crave

friendship and and meeting new people. Yeah. But where do you find

it? Where do you and then and then Well, it used to be the church.

Right? Or like the pub. Yeah. Like you go to the pub. Yeah. So

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Which, like and and and that still happens. And that's

fine. But, predominantly, like, I don't really go out much anymore. So I'm not

looking to have a random conversation with someone. I mean, I don't see my friends

that I've got a lot. Yep. Whereas, that's, like, at for the gym or a

social setting where I think you're moving your body and you're doing something for yourself.

Mhmm. Because you're around like minded people, and that's when you get the opportunity

to really connect with someone. Yeah. So I think if you're sitting next to someone

going through all these different emotions and feeling that you're doing it for yourself Yeah.

You know, just turning up, you don't really know who's gonna be next to you.

I I think it's a brilliant concept. And that's why I like through, like, Scandinavia,

and they're also happy and healthy. Yeah. They don't put pressure on themselves. The

kids don't do nap planning, stupid tests. So, like, you know what I mean? Like,

we are all testing and pressure and busy, and we start bloody prep. Yeah.

You know, Scandinavia, they don't. Yeah. Like you said, in Finland. Oh, it's honoring

every day. I know. You know? Bloody good sesh. That's why they're so happy.

Yeah. It's always like it's always like an AA

without the Oh, a 100%. Don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. And because it it

just creates that environment where you can feel comfortable without who you

are, which is so rare. And it's And we do it. We do a gratitude

circle, which is something just so simple.

But if you're, like, having the shittest week and you can't, you know,

and you can't find any, and then you turn up and suddenly there's a circle

and you've gotta go around. You've gotta look for something that you're grateful for. Something

just as simple as that is really powerful for people, I

think, to just bring them back to like, oh, wow. I'm actually on the

beach and it's really beautiful, and I can see the sunrise, and I can hear

the birds, and I can feel the wind on my face, and there's so much

to be grateful for, you know, where we get so caught in our thoughts and

in our busyness of, like, life when really it's just being and,

you know, and appreciating nature and So true. And it's it's training

it too, isn't it? Like, we talk But it's also being around like minded people.

Yeah. Like, and that's where gratitude emphasizes more gratitude

because it makes you realize something or somebody else what they're grateful for.

And when you say something, it triggers something with me Yep. It snaps you out,

not as you be present with your thoughts. And I think that's people, we

know the benefits of it, but unless it's intentional Mhmm. A lot of people don't

do it. Mhmm. Because, like, the isn't it, like, the the human

brain naturally will gravitate to the negatives or someone

says a 100 good things about you and 5 or you're going to concentrate is

the bad thing. So it is, it is like a training your brain and you

always talk about gratitude and, and, you know, making it a

practice every day because the more you do it, the better you get at it.

Yeah. Like, if you hang around with 10 people who are just, oh, life's so

hard and, oh, this is Lemon suckers, I call them jack ups. I'm sorry.

I don't wanna be around lemon suckers. But it is it it would

almost be impossible not to get influence. Absolutely.

Whereas you you find those, you know, if you find a group of people

where you're concentrating on what's great about your life I think if you've got

even 5 people that you can call on at any time that you're

super close with and can be really vulnerable, you know, you with you're super

fortunate. Yeah. Well, a lot of people don't even have one. Yeah. But a lot

of studies they've done, like, loneliness. People feel they got all these

connections online, but when it really comes down to it Yeah. And shit it the

fan, they wouldn't have anybody that you're comfortable calling. Yeah. And that's

a really sad thing. And that's why loneliness Yeah. Is like an

epidemic in itself Mhmm. And particularly it's been amplified after COVID.

And that's the problem with phones and social media. Yeah. We think we've got

all these people in our lives, and, well, hits the dopamine here and there,

but deep down, we don't have anyone. Yeah. And that's why people are addicted to

the phone because in reality, it's hard to go to somebody like see

Deepa's and put yourself out there. Yeah. But then you get all the rewards.

Yeah. Like and it used to be it used to be ingrained in in

culture, didn't it? Like, if, you know, you didn't have phones and this and that.

So it was like, oh, we're going to have to you had to just to

go into a community center or the church or, you know, like my parents,

that was their big thing. Church. That's where they met all their friends. Yeah. You

know, whereas these days, like you can just sort of be on your

own. You think you're connected to everyone through this little device, but it's

not proper connection, is it? No. And I think yeah. I think it's

just really important that we continue to create

spaces like like this. Yeah. So that

yeah. More more now than ever because of all those reasons you're just there.

Yep. Same. If people wanna check out Seasol saunas.

Seasol sauna? Seasol sauna. I like the name. Yeah. I like the tongue. She sells

seashells by the seashell. I don't seashells by the seashore. Down at Seashells or

what? Where can we where can we

find more? Well, we website's not launched yet. We're

sort of doing a photo shoot tomorrow, but I would say Just after we've spoken

about how bad Instagram is, you can jump on our Instagram. Yeah. It's still there.

It's not bad news at the right way. Cell sauna. Yes. Social media? Yeah. No.

No. I would, well, yeah. I think it I

think social media in the right way. I think people need to

uplift on social media, and I choose to be one of these people. Cool. And

once you're done at Cecil Saw, jump over to at overexcited for fuck

yeah. And then there's an at the squash club.

Oh, yeah. Just get addicted on your phone again. Oh, goodness. So I

when you look back at what you've already created, and

you're only just getting started, but probably, you know, winning king's

of the year is, like, pretty cool achievement. And you probably don't realize he might

look back one day and go, how cool? But Yeah. What are you most proud

of of what you've been out to obviously, you know, figure out with cold water

therapy around PMDD for

yourself? Yeah. But also how that's helped you by then helping

others creating a community. What are you most proud of of, you know, what you've

been able to create so far? Yeah. I

think, firstly, I'm sort of just proud of

the the the the growth I've had and then through that,

my ability to sort of give to others. So but

I think just just creating a space that's just

so inclusive and just

seeing the connections that are just so

far reaching. So I think, like, the impact that it's not just

having on the people that are turning up to dippers, but that ripple effect of

going into families and workplaces. And, you know, that is a

real thing. And, like, I know from stories that

I've been told from many of the dippers that it has spread

out into how they pair in or how they show up in the

workplace. And then that also then has that ripple effect. So,

yeah, I'm just I'm I'm just super proud of super proud

of that, super proud of the commitment that it has taken because it

has been a lot to show up. Every single Saturday

I sink into 2 and a bit is I only missed, I think, 4

4 dips. So, you know, and it's early mornings off at

5 and cutting ice baths down there and, you know, seeking out

people to come down and do different activities. So, yeah, proud of that, but

mostly just proud of, like, what what it's been created and the friendships

that have been formed from the group. So it's like that

butterfly effect, isn't it? It's, you know, one little butterfly wing can create

a tornado on the outside world. It's because and I can be guilty of it

personally. It's like almost losing a bit of hope. Like, the world's so fucked

as it is and like, what's my one little thing gonna do?

I'm all about that. It's just like, just do my own little corner. Yeah. And,

you know, and it continues all this bad stuff around the world. And it's it

is heartbreaking, you know, and you can't sort of turn away from it, but you

can certainly turn into, like, what you can control, which

is your own backyard and your community within that. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. Very easy to get caught up Yeah. In negativity.

Yeah. But in if you wanna if you wanna focus on that,

you really can. Mhmm. And I think that's where it just comes to doing little

things each day or finding like minded people Yeah. In face to face.

And that's, you know, we talk about online and things. I don't wanna harp on

it, but that's what the beautiful thing is that we need to go back to

that we've really forgotten. It's the basics. It's so

simple. Mhmm. You know, but finding those like minded people is important. And I think

it's very it's essential not to have alcohol involved. You know? And

that's where where is some form of movement for your body or

therapy or something that is good for you. Yeah. And just fun things that you

wouldn't normally do. You know? Like, we've had juggling and hip

hop, you know, and saying, you know, one of our 75 year old

ladies do hip hop and really step out of her comfort zone, you know, and

just that that sort of thing I think is is super important too

to just do things you don't you wouldn't normally yeah. You feel super

if you feel if you feel uncomfortable about something, you should definitely do that. Yeah.

That's it. No question. Do it. Yeah. That like, the childlike

wonder of how Yes. Child. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a child, for sure. And

we certainly are that down at Dippers. Like, we embrace

one that completely, which I think gets lost the older you get. Yeah. Yeah.

Because you're like yeah. And and once you see and it's so funny

because the power in numbers, you know, like, if you were one

out, you know, because and you probably have to do it one out a lot

of the time to set the example. And that's why I my people would do

that so much because they set the scene and they show other people

that they want to do it, but they go on up and then they do

it. And then one more comes over and then to come And then all of

a sudden everyone's in. Yes. And it's even the

positive body image as well down there. You know? Like, we have all different and

I've had women say to me that they've turned up, like, felt

just so scared to get in their bikini or get in their babies, but then

they turn up there and they see how no one gives a shit.

No one's looking at anyone. Everyone's like fully embracing exactly

who they are, all their shapes and sizes, and then that gives them permission to

therefore Yeah. Be okay. And I've seen it before my eyes. Women just become super

confident who were terrified to get in their babies, you know, initially.

So, yeah, that's cool. Do you think, you know, you as you

spoke about, you've had some pretty damn moments in your life and

we've I know we've spoken about it. Do you think that has given you,

I guess like the ability to have empathy and to,

you know, you're you as a person. I see you as someone who searches

out the best in everyone else and you want to lift other people

up. Do you think, like, having those tough moments has

created that in a way? Absolutely. Yeah. Because I've I mean,

I've been to the depths of despair and, you know, I I

also didn't add him before, but I had a a heartbreak as well. And

yeah. And I think this condition that I live with is it's an ongoing

you know, it's been since I was 14. So dealing with that

every single month is, you know, it's it's a

lot. And especially when I was young because I sort of didn't have

the emotional intelligence or really the education around what it

even was back then. So it was a lot more difficult to

manage. But yeah. I'm seeing That would be hard with your relationships

and your yeah. Oh, it's affected it if, you know, it's affected my whole life.

I think Saint Dippers is really I've had the most growth probably in the

last few years. I've been able to manage it. And I'm

proud of that because I've I've been able to, like, show up and

support this group whilst also living with this condition which at

times, can be challenging. But I would say, like, at the moment,

I'm sort of the best I ever have been with with managing it. And that's

through, I think, a combination of, like, the the social

element of dippers and just the self worth as well of feeling

completely accepted and loved by people exactly as you are, which I

think is is rare to find those kind of spaces.

And then obviously the health aspect of the cold water and, you know,

all of the sort of. Yeah. And and I think that it just once you

feel supported, you then feel more motivated to do other things in your

life. So Yeah. Yeah. I did a marathon last year and I'm sort of, like,

always pushing the envelope and going towards the next goal. And I think

when when you're in a supportive environment, it helps you to continue on with those

things. How is the running going? Amy and I did the half marathon together. You

did. You did. I did see that. I did see that. I know. We'll have

to do another one too. Well, I'm I'm doing the Melvin marrow. Oh, you're doing

the Melvin. I If I can get rid of this calf strain, the old

man strain. Bad luck. That's just a lie.

Sorry, mate. This is the supporting space you've done us.

You're cooked. I went for a run last

Saturday, mate. So we're with that. Get in the sauna. Yeah. Sauna,

ice ice water. Yep. Yeah. What's what's next on the running

agenda? You nothing. I haven't signed up yet for

anything. I'll miss the Melbourne marathon. I'm gonna be in Copenhagen. My

daughter is traveling there. So I'm planning a sauna tour around Bad.

Nordic countries and doing a bit of research so I can bring back

a bit more education around around that. Yeah.

But I'm I'm sure I'll find something to sign up to shortly. Yeah. No doubt.

Well, my my girlfriend's Swedish, actually, very strong Swedish family. So

I'll have to. I don't know if this is. Yeah. Is it the only. Yeah.

I'm going to go to Sweden, actually. Okay. Alright. I'll ask them because I. Yeah.

I don't know if they got one at their place, but I could

see a CD old man just jumping out there and getting rid of the town.

No doubt jumping in the sauna and show me a thing. It

is. Yeah. Yeah. Give me some words of wisdom in the store. Come on,

young fellow. Come in here.

It's a good way to connect. Good way to connect. Alright. Well, is that us?

Yeah. That's it. If we missed anything, I is there anything else that you would

like to mention? It's it's been an hour. Wow. We I've got so many

Pretty much. What is it? 50 minutes? Time flies in the shed. Thanks,

Leju. I know. Sex has been on the show. Yeah. See you saw solace.

Get in front of And and see dippers too. If you're out there, you know,

like the community. Definitely. You're just wanting to, yeah, form

new connections and yeah. It's Tuesdays Saturdays,

6:45. Morty pier. Morty pier. Just on the right there.

Yeah. You just show up. There's no bookings. Yeah. So good.

So good. Even even if you don't live around like where we all do. Yeah.

Come for a drive. Yeah. Definitely. We do get people come down from the city

and on the other side of town. Yeah. Yeah. And it's probably they could see

the community element. They go, oh, I could create something like this Yeah. Where I

am. Yeah. I think you see something firsthand. You feel it. When you feel

something Yeah. You're more inclined to take it away and want want to bring that

to life wherever you are. Yeah. We had we had a young girl actually, and

she yeah. She's moved to Queensland, and she's started something up there. So,

yeah, that's something that's what you want. Right? For it to spread everywhere. And,

hopefully, the sauna will be the same sort of thing that I think on the

cusp of this, it'll start we'll start seeing them pop up hopefully in

different communities and on the oceanfront. Yeah. That's

it. Thank you, Amy. You're done. Woo hoo.