The Overly Excited Podcast

It. You're going. Okay, we're back

jeez the overly excited podcast. Here we go. We're ten

plus episodes in, don't you worry about that. I'm Jack Watts

and my incredibly good looking co host, Dale Sidebottom,

is sitting across from me. I

feel like I haven't seen you for a while, mate. No, we're just talking about

that before. Isn't it funny? When we first met,

we'll see each other nearly every day and things change or whatever,

and we didn't do a podcast last week because we

had one in the bank, which I must admit, I really did miss. Yeah, I

was the same. And coming back to it now, this week, you sort of think,

oh, shit. What? We talk like it's a long time before we've done

another one, so I've missed it's. Good to be back. You've been a busy

boy, mate. Been a busy boy. It's been a bit on. I've just got back

from Sydney, was in Sydney for the weekend, which was good

fun. And then the week before, I ran the marathon, the half

marathon. Let's not get ahead of it. Half marathon. Still very impressive,

mate. Don't undersell that. Yeah,

it was actually a lot of fun. And the challenge,

we go to Body Fit and we smash ourselves and we try to but it's

an hour. It's an hour of mixed up things. It's not continuous. 45

exactly. I did it in an hour and

47. And it's good going, pushing your body to

those sort of limits. I really enjoyed the feeling afterwards

of just being absolutely spent and

sore and my knee was cooked and my hips and my

leg was sore and it was a beautiful feeling,

which I've missed. Did you enjoy the last five

k's? Oh, no.

I know exactly. You didn't train for it. I've done two myself and I

thought, bit arrogant, I'll just be able to do it without training. I enjoyed

the first ten k's of each. I despised.

I'd never had so many demons in my head, those last five. And the only

reason you keep going is because there's people around you can't look like

the weak one that needs stop them all.

It's so funny because this guy through Morty Sea

dippers, Shawnee, and he did it with me.

And me, him and Amy, we

sort of ran together at the start and then we were going at sort of

six minute k pace and I sort of was feeling like, let's get going here.

So I sort of took off and went off on my own and I

was a bit arrogant at the start. Same thing. Talking to he was videoing the

whole thing and talking to him, oh, we're fresh, we're fine, blah, blah, blah.

You would love that, though. Yeah, I was all over it. He was ten times

more than me. You love it. I love it.

And then anyway, so off I went. And I'm not joking, I got to

about well, got about the ten k mark and the right hip just started

to pack up. Just pulling the hip through it. Just started drinking

that just constant thudding. It's like four or five times body weight, each

time drinking. That just repetition. Well, I had a really sore

back going into it, so I think the back right side of my back pulling

on the hip, trying to drag it through. Big you got big levers,

mate. You're a big lad. Chunky thing these days.

Looking all right, mate. But anyway, so he's

sort of a long way back running with Amy, and then he's just

zoomed up, caught up to me and he stopped filming. He probably stopped videoing and

started running. And started actually running. So then he gets up to me with about

six days to go, and as he said, that's just the demons

are and I'm wearing this gray shirt.

I did see that. Now we're both demon sweaters.

That would be literally seriously. I think it

was a bit of water. There was a bit of water. No,

there's not. You're a demon sweater. I would be wearing black or

white. What were you thinking? It was the Connor's run

shirt. Why would it be? If you don't

mind showing the sweat how much you're worth. Who cares? You're running a

marathon, half marathon, like, it good on you. But you were sweating a lot. I

was sweating, yeah. I love it.

And he comes running up. Oh,

what's he how are you going, mate? Oh, yeah, let's go. Where do we get

it? And I was just running, like literally the last

ten minutes, I've been thinking, how do I should I run in front of this

car here? Should I just trip? Should I turn an ankle on purpose? And how

can I not finish this? How can I get out of this thing? Because I

was in the Hurt Locker. And then he comes up and just keeps I'm

thinking, Shit, if he talks to me for the next seven k's here, I'm

in big trouble. Thankfully he said, all right, I'm going to have a crack now.

And off he went into the distance. But, yeah,

made it. Was happy. Was happy that I finished it. And it

was just such a good vibe at the everyone there

is pumped and excited and happy that they've done

something, trying to get themselves better. Yeah, it

was good fun. I had a good mate I caught up with

on Saturday, come around for a barbecue with the kids and had swimming pool.

It was really nice. I hadn't seen him for a long time because he trained

really hard for it and he did in like three minutes.

15 for the 3 hours. 15. Sorry.

The whole marathon. That's good going.

That's quicker than my half. Not comparing, but

he did a lot of training and

I find it really fascinating, particularly I've got a lot of mates that are

triathlons and well will. One of your best mates is doing the noosa.

Soon, the training that you do for that, it's all

on your own. You're swimming, looking at that black line

you're running and ride. You might do it with some other people, but most of

the time you're doing it early morning or late night. And I know my mate

Run, he's work all day, he's got three kids, he'd run

from, like, eight till ten every night by himself.

I was like, Mate, well done. That's such an achievement to get

that time. So that's what I mean. Like you said, everyone that's in the

stadium, they've all achieved something. And I think that's

such a good point, what you said, like, not comparing yourself, never others, because you

shouldn't, because everyone's so different and at different stages, and it's

just your achievement is the fact that you've gone, you've

done it, you've trained, however much you might have trained and you've

completed it, and it's the best feeling. Who cares

if someone has gone and run? Which plenty of them

do, and they run. Incredible times. It's got nothing to do with it. And that's

sort of what I've finally started to realize with running and with doing this stuff,

like, a bit longer distance running is, like, because I

think I always used to I'd compare myself to how I used to run

or I'd compare myself to other guys that I

play with that are doing marathons and half marathons now and they're running

them in fucking who knows what. These crazy

times. And it's like, I know I'm never going to be able to do that.

I'm six inches taller than them and I've got an extra 20

kilos on them and it doesn't matter what they're doing

or what, it's just like it's that sense of accomplishment which

I really enjoyed. Do you know what you've just mentioned there, though? That's

life. Why do we compare

everything to other people? Our jobs, our titles, how much

money we make, what assets we have, how many

followers. Like, all these different things is exactly the same

as a half or a marathon. What do people say to you? Oh, what time

did you run? Yeah, exactly not. How did you enjoy it? What was the best

part about it? I couldn't give a shit what time you ran. I just knew

the last five k's would be hard and you would have been up and about

for the first ten.

Everyone gets the same feeling at the end. Yeah, exactly. The only time that feeling

goes away is when you start comparing your time to other people.

Yeah, exactly. And I think it's more if you set yourself something and you

don't achieve it, or if you set yourself or if, you know, you could probably

get that time and then your training wasn't quite there and you

were. Mucking around beforehand or whatever it might be. Or some people

just like to do it and enjoy it, and there's no sort of pressure on

it, and that's fine too. But I think that's the best

thing about events like that. Everyone is supporting

and embracing each other. I think we're our own worst

enemies because we're the ones that compare times or different things

like that, but when you just let all that go and you complete

something, it's a really rewarding.

I think that's brilliant, mate. Yeah, I agree. I don't know many.

I haven't done any other ones besides that one. And the Beach

Road, the Sandy .1 or whatever, running into the MCG.

Wowie, that's a coliseum, baby.

And for everyone else, probably there, they hadn't played a few games on

there, so for other people, it probably means more. But it's probably a

nice thing for you to do, too. Different experience.

Yeah. It wasn't copping abuse over the fence and wasn't having.

Cheese boards. No cheese, actually.

The stands were packed, everyone just there

watching their friends come in. And that's what I love. It was absolutely

packed. I mean, I was absolutely cooked. So I didn't

really just get me over finish

line, but no, that

was great. So that was last week and then led into

Sydney. Yeah, went up to Sydney, watch a mate play. His band,

Telenova, was playing up there on the Friday night. Yeah, just got up there and

then just had a beautiful weekend.

It's funny that the Melbourne V Sydney sort of

rivalry, they're all snobs and they're all this, they're all

that. I finally got up there. I'm 32 years old and finally got

up there and sorry, what do you mean? Well, I've been there

plenty of times. Yeah, but you just flew in? Flew out. But, yeah, it's always

been pretty quick, or it's been whatever it might be.

But this was just a nice sort of wholesome weekend where I got around and

saw everything and did the walks and played golf and

yeah, it's certainly won me over. New South Wales, Sydney,

look out. Very nice beaches, very well

designed city. You can see why people love

it. It's picturesque. It's

incredible. One of the things, I must admit,

you sent me a message today, what's his book club? Now

we need to tell someone a joke. I was like, I don't know if people

listening to the Eddie Pervy podcast but thought I was telling this good joke and

it was the pit. I still don't think it was

too bad. We just didn't quite catch it. No one caught it. That's a bad

joke. Anyway, I had to ask

you what you were talking about today, because I had no idea, but what's his

book club, I must admit. And we're going to talk about a few messages,

and particularly one there's a few questions we're going to focus on today, mate, but

I had about three or four people message and ring me saying, how

refreshing. You talking about your dragons and your

Dungeons and Dragon Ball Z as

well. People didn't realize you're just this nerd. And

now, because of the podcast, the reach, the dynamic

reach of the overly excited podcast, we have started a movement.

Dale, I'm getting messages left, right and center. I'm

talking people just want to join this book club

so we can discuss what Pharaoh is doing with Tamlin

and is she betraying

the love her life to head over with Rhysan. But who

knows? I don't know who's the right, who's wrong. So we've got a good little

following now. I reckon I've got about three or. Four, maybe five

people reading, like the same book. Same book. We're in

constant contact. Oh, did you finish this chapter? What'd you think of this?

So if anyone's to

and I mean, it's funny, I went up to Sydney and basically the whole time

I just wanted to read my book, get back to the hotel and get back

into. Fairies now. Into

fairies. So we got through the dragon. So Fourth Wing,

the new book of that, the second of that series, comes out in November,

early November. So very excited for that. But

I had a bit of time in between, so I thought, all right, I'll start

this. It's called a court of Thorns and Roses was the first one.

And a court of Mist and Fury, I think, is the second one. And

so I'm heading towards the end of the second book now already, and it's

just I mean, this podcast. Can we hurry up? Because I need to get home

and finish this book. I'm like, what do you got on?

Oh, it's heating up, mate, I'm telling you. I was

actually on my lunch break at work today in this cafe

and I was reading it and this scene comes up. Oh,

my goodness. There's this scene they go into

this sort of I'll try not to give away, but go into a bit of

a dungeon. They have to play the character sort of

like he has to make it seem like she

is his little pet sort of thing. So she

sits on his lap and then it's going through and his hands

are caressed, going under my dread. And I'm sitting there in this

bloody cafe getting a bit hot and flustered, and I have to

look up every now and then thinking, Jesus, hope that no one's

watching me. I find this fascinating because

I'll be so honest with you, and I was before. I got no

desire ever to even contemplate giving it a

go. No, but that doesn't mean

I'm really curious. But that's what you like. And

I love it that we get along on so many different levels, but this

I never would have could further apart. I'm not judging you one little bit. I

actually love it. I think it's brilliant. But I just find

it's so amazing people don't share that stuff, though,

that they're at cafes talking about Dungeons and. Dragons on

laps and that erotica fairy erotica reading it in the cafe,

getting a bit of sweat under the brow. I tell you what oh,

Fayer, stop that.

Anyone else? If anyone's sort of reading or has read

the Court series and wants to sort of just slip into my DMs

and I could talk about it all day, join the book club, get on

board, we're taking people. Also, I

had a little thought today about what I could bring to the pod. Dale yes.

Jacko now, look, as we've spoken

about, I'm a lonely man, lonely 32 year. Old and totally

haven't stopped we haven't

painted that. No. Okay. Don't change that. Please start again. That

was just being that was like. I'm not editing that out. But I've had to

do that once before for the while. But this is start again.

Okay. No, well, it was going towards

why I buy a lot of tickets to things. Because as

we've spoken about, I love musicals. That's better.

Love some live music.

So I've bought a whole lot of tickets, which a lot of them are coming

up over the next let me just have a quick look in my

wallet. But I often buy two or three tickets because I don't want to

go on my own, but I don't really have anyone to go with me.

Is that because you, like, going different people all the time? Like, not the same

ones? That's cool. Yeah. I just like having it there ready so

that the week leading into it. I can sort of ask

someone who maybe I haven't seen for a while, or maybe I haven't, or someone

I want to maybe someone I want to impress. Dale who knows?

But I've got let's just have a quick real Tina

Arena, who unfortunately just had to cancel her.

Did she? This is one. And we'll get back to that

first ever CD I ever bought. No Tina Arena.

No, tina's a god. I don't know. But that was my first ever.

That's amazing. Yeah. What was yours? Mine was

like boomtown or whatever. Crazy town butterfly. Oh,

come, come. I won't sing anymore, but

yeah. So there you go. There's one for you. But Kego. So Tina renna. What?

She's canceled. She canceled her, sorrento moon.

Oh my God. She's an absolute superstar. But I've

got Wicked the Musicals. I mean, a few of them are a

fair way away, but some of them are coming up. Paramore tickets, the national

tickets, greenspoon tickets.

I'll take you up on that. Actually, here's a story for you.

DJ so Ballerina went to Ballarat.

So one night, Grinspoon were playing, and then so I mixed

like I was DJing after them into TV rock. It was

like, wow, I thought you've made it here, dad. And now

don't do any of it. That one night shedding

Ballarat like, so. Are we getting sort of you

reckon maybe we could get backstage with your contact. I

would get so far from nowhere near backstage, mate. Sorry. Did you have any

others? No, sorry, I interrupted twice on that. Sorry. That's absolutely

fine. But anyway but what I was thinking was,

to our broad listener

demographic, I'm putting it out there, if you'd

like to come with me to one of these shows, because there's a fair

few there can accommodate all sort of demographics and

interests and write into the pod, right

into us. On our instagram. On the Instagram, we don't have

anywhere. Maybe one day we'll have a website and things, but we don't at the

moment, we're nowhere near that. No, that's right. We

keep it simple here at the Overly Excited podcast. So right into the

Instagram and tell me why I should take

you to why I should be lucky enough to

have you join me on a trip down to either the Forum

or Sydney Maya Music Bowl or the Regent

Theatre. I'd love to hear them, I'd love to look through them and

would love to take someone out for a beautiful. Night and maybe also say

what you've most enjoyed

about what we've created so far, because that's what

we want. Absolutely, yes. You want to take someone because they want to go to

something, but also why they're actually doing it. They have purpose

behind it. Absolutely. Very generous of you there, Jack. You are a very

generous man, though. You are, I think, as we spoke about,

I think, giving and making other people feel good. That's what it's

all about, isn't it? That's what I get a lot of my happiness and my

worth from and my joy and yeah, I really enjoy

it. I think everybody does. A lot of people are

scared, though, because sometimes you put it out there

and you're being vulnerable

by giving or trying to help someone, or you don't know how they're going to

respond, but when you can let that go, it's really powerful. Yeah,

I think I've just always had that sort of idea and thought

that, what's the worst that can happen, really? Like, even with

something like this, the worst that can happen is no one writes. I'm

sure they will. No one writes. All right,

Jackets, just random call it DS here.

Welcome to Grinspoon. I just

think, like I don't know,

it's probably something I've always had is just like that

desire to have fun and enjoy myself. And I think I can sort of do

that in any scenario. And

especially I think I get a lot of energy and excitement from meeting

new people, and this is a way to

do it. Well, I think it's pretty cool, mate.

I'm all for it. My current situation

wasn't, as you can probably tell, mate, I'm quite horsey

here. The kids are back at daycare, Bree's back at work, and I've been

looking after two sick kids after one day at daycare today. So that was

my day my

existence is a little bit different. Sounding so depressive

there, but maybe I can come to Grinspoon

anyway. All right, how do

I start this? We got a couple of brilliant

messages on our Instagram. I know we've had

personal ones and telephone calls from people we know. These couple,

though, we don't know them, and they've just followed us

and their heartfelt messages. Wow.

For me, I was like, this is why we're doing it. Yeah, you sent it

to me. We just had a bit of a moment

to see that. From that we've created something.

And people out there who we don't know, they're not mum. Thanks, Mum,

for listening every week, but it's not mum, it's not

my cousin or my best friend, it's absolute

randoms who have enjoyed what we've done and that's why we

do it, really, isn't it? And that so honest and open and

it really blew me away. So not going to give away all their names, but

there was one that really hit a chord and obviously we want more people to

do this, but Rochelle wrote in, what you guys are creating is

inspiring, relatable and vulnerable. It's so refreshing to hear

two blokes talking the way you do. And then she goes on to share a

little bit about her story and things she's doing and so forth like that, which

I won't share, but she wanted us to discuss

three questions and get a guest on or somebody that could talk about

them. And, mate, I'm like, there's only two people that need to talk about

these. This is what we want. I think they're great questions and like

we've spoken about, we are so similar on so many ways when we

first started this, but what we're finding out, we're not. I think that's the

best thing. When you sit down with somebody and actually allow conversation to

take place, you figure out that you are different than anyone else, no

one else like you on the planet. I love it when you allow

that. Isn't it whatsoever? So, got three

questions and I just would go one at a time. And

I suppose if people are listening to this and they do have questions like

this, send them through. Like, if they're on your mind, we want to

talk about them too, because they're probably topical or they probably

relate to us. Courage. I love courage.

Courage. Feeling the fear and doing things anyway.

Woohoo. Taking the leap out of your comfort zone.

Now, we have spoken about this one a little bit, jacko, we're

completely different on this. How would you say?

And I'll talk, I just do things.

I don't know where that's come from. I am just lucky enough I can just

do that and I don't really care about the consequences. Make it work. I know

that I'm probably not even 1% of the population with

that and I don't take that for granted. I'm very lucky. But we've spoken about

the podcast and starting it and how hard that was for you

because it was so far out of your comfort zone, what have you learned?

Or what do you look at courage as? Like if you relate it back to

the podcast but then other things you've done or how you're

growing from that? Yeah, I think courage takes on so many forms, doesn't

it? And it's so different for so many people for someone

getting out of the house, moving, going out in public is a really

courageous thing, for others, that's easy. I

think for everyone it's so different

but yeah, I think certainly relating to the podcast,

for me it was very nerve wracking starting out because

we're putting ourselves out there.

Do we know we're. Going to I certainly did.

I didn't know I felt

comfortable enough to and I suppose I haven't done that on

I don't know, I think because it's just us and I feel really comfortable with

you, that just happened. I didn't know I don't set sort

of boundaries or parameters of what I'm going to do, it just happens,

it happens. But for me, I've probably shown more courage on

this than I have in other platforms.

And then I think I guess the courage of

it being our first or my first time at something

and then obviously it was when we were going to ask guests

on and I was going to be that was really scary to me because

I was thinking, I'm no professional at this. So things that

I as I've spoken about taking someone out for a

night out, for me, that's not scary.

For some people, that would be so scary, and it would

take so much courage for them to do that. But for me, that's not but

for me, I think yeah, trying to just

things that I'm not a professional at or I

haven't practiced or I like to be

competent at something before I really give it a red hot crack. And I think

coming into this, it was

foreign territory. I think that was

probably just taking those first few steps. And

now the beauty of it after

the Eddie Perfect episode and we're driving home

and we had that moment again, it was like, how fucking good was

that? Know? But I was so stressed before

oh, what if I don't ask good questions? Or what if you

know, just to sort of have a few under our belt where I've

got through them and then felt so good afterwards so now I can almost

trick myself even when the nerves come and to say, you know

what, you're going to love it, you're going to absolutely love it. It's like going

to the gym, it's like doing an ice bath, you never feel worse

afterwards no, but you're stressed beforehand and

you're stressed oh, do I really want to do it? But yeah,

so that's probably for me, that's where the

courage came into it with the pod. I love everything you just

mentioned there and I think the way we

talk to other people about what's natural for

us is really hurtful sometimes. So

just do it because it's easy for me. Just do it. Just message them,

it's fine. I'm not being empathetic to you because I don't know how

hard that is for you. It's like when we're talking about you're 32, everyone's

like, oh, when are you going to get a partner? It was like when we

got married. When are you going to have a kid? Or when are you going

to have your next kid? People don't mean to do that, but

they're hurtful. How do they know if we're not having a lot of

trouble trying to have a kid or that you don't

know how to find a partner or like, that you get anxious

asking somebody to be on a podcast. Don't assume just

because something's easy for you that it's easy for someone else.

The courage comes from within. Telling

somebody what they should do is the complete opposite of that. And I

don't realize, people just aren't

aware. It does

frustrate me because I know I used to do it and I'd just say, people,

you just got to start. And I said that to you and it's made me

really think about it that's but I'm different,

I'm different, but there'd be other things that you would say something to

me that would hit a chord with me. Yeah, and I think I've

lived my life with this sort of one little mantra that's sort

of stuck with me for a long time. It's like the ability to put yourself

in someone else's shoes is the most important skill, I

think, big time because

you can't do it completely and you don't know everything that's going on with someone.

But even if you just show the effort that you're thinking

about what maybe they're going through and how they might react

to in all my life with mentors and

friends and family and coaches and the ones

that absolutely stuck with me and I love till the end

of the earth are the ones that I know. They

are making an effort to understand why I'm feeling the way I am and

why I react the way I am, even though I know they don't agree with

a lot of it or they're completely different in their own ways and their own

morals. But they're trying

to create that connection. So yeah, I think that's a

great point you make. I think about it a lot

and probably because for a lot of my

life I blamed a lot of other people for the way I was and

because I wasn't happy in the person I was, because it was easier to do

it that way. But now that I've owned that

now different interactions or like particularly when we had that

chat and I'm like sometimes you have to have that. Hard chat

to realize but then you learn from it. It's like courage

doing something, yeah, you've done it, but then how did it

make you feel? What outcome was it? It doesn't matter, you did it. What can

you do next? And it's not these don't set huge

goals and it's exactly the same as the way you interact with

people just because you need to be spoken to a

certain way. It's exactly I feel in sport analogy again,

look at old coaches, particularly when you're going through

everyone's getting spoken to the same. We're all different, we all get motivated

different ways. You look at the good coaches now, they're coaches, they're

mentors educators, father figures, 100%

because they know what everybody needs and that's exactly

what you've got to be to anyone in your life or anyone you're having a

conversation with. And that for me is courage.

Owning the way you speak to people and

doing something about it. And if you've done something that didn't work out

right, reflect on it, make sure it doesn't happen again.

Because you can always do things to yourself

and that's fine. You're not hurting anyone else. But the way a

question or you tell somebody that you should just do it. I don't

know. I think that is something that

people don't really understand the impact

that their words are having sometimes because they don't have the same impact

to them. Yeah. And I think self reflection,

introspection is so important in that space and then there's a

whole nother skill of being able to communicate it after that, which

is really difficult too, our conversation. And

then you have these realizations to actually tell someone

I fucked up there. I realized, okay, I'm sorry that I

was feeling this way and I was feeling like you weren't really coming to the

table with this or that's why I got frustrated. But I see now

that whatever it might be, that's a really hard skill and you got to work

at that. But that's courage. That's courage.

Owning the space we talk about inside the arena.

You're in the arena when you're with anyone else.

That's courage for me, not doing something for the first time

or whatever, that's just doing something. I

feel when you can own the space with other people and

reflect on it and want to get better, I don't know.

But like most things it's bloody hard and it's not

easy. But I don't think anything should be easy because then it's like a

half marathon. Why do you feel so good at the end?

Because you've done something that your body wasn't not saying.

Everyone else there didn't train, but you didn't train so you did

something that was really pushing yourself. What's

the old saying, Dale? If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.

Everyone would be doing it. There's a lot of people in the stands, wasn't there?

You didn't see them though because you're looking at the group.

Giraffe doing it is interesting. And it's

the same with being self aware.

There's not a whole lot of people that are at that stage yet. It's a

journey, definitely, but it's certainly, I

would say, easy to find people who are in their own zone and think that

their life is by far the most important over everyone else than there's

not. We could talk about

that a lot because I just think people aren't and I'll have

mates who will say, right outside of you, you're talking all your

stuff again. I'm like, yeah, that's fine. And a lot of time that

might be because it might hit a chord with them that they knew the person

I used to be and I'm trying to change. We all still

make mistakes, but I'm aware of it. I don't know, I think that's courage

when you can say that I still will make mistakes. So are you. And I

love that from you. And I

remember Stephen Fry, he's a bit of an idol of

mine, like, just the smartest man ever. And I remember him saying

something about

how can some people be so sure of themselves? He's willing to

listen and he's willing to take their opinion on board. But to tell someone

you're right or you're wrong, how do you

know? Do you know what I mean? And that ability to be

open minded and take

in other people's opinions, views, obviously

there's certain things, science and facts and whatever, that are locked

in, but around that, people can have different

opinions about anything and it's like they're not right, they're not wrong. It's how they

feel, it's their experience, it's what they've grown up with, the reason they

have that feeling. And that's what I am so

interested in, is why people okay, how did you get to that

point of feeling this way? I was in Sydney

recently and I was catching up with an old friend up there.

And this is just a little side story, but I'll go there

because when you go inside, I'm in the zone. Good.

This is courage. Keep going. So anyway, I was having a chat, haven't

seen her in a long, long time. And the referendum

conversation came up and there

was something about and it was sort of like, oh, she asked me what'd you

do? And I said, you don't really have to even ask me. It's sort of

like a bit of a no brainer for me. Of course I voted

yes. You're brainwashed. You're brainwashed. You've got

them.

Was I listened to her, she didn't listen to you. And as soon as

I sort of said, oh, look, I can take that on board, she was talking

about funding and they're trying to divide and I'm

saying, I get it. You might have read some article on Facebook or whatever,

that's fine. And then I tried to have my piece

and sort of talk about I've spoken to plenty of my indigenous mates

who have said they've had their piece and they've said that for

them, it's a step in the right direction. Yeah, it's not

perfect, but to have indigenous people making decisions on

it makes sense. So that's all I need to hear.

That's your decision. But she would just bang you're wrong. And it

was sort of like, Come on.

That'S the last thing I'd ever want to talk about on any show, is

politics just makes people, they get

really angry, like, just straight away, instead of being

curious, not even judgmental, they get angry. And I think, Isn't that exactly what we're

talking about? I know for them to not be able to have an open minded

conversation about it and take in other people's point of views and I

find it's because politics, it affects them personally in certain

ways. So the things that affect them personally, they have such

strong views on, but. It'S anger, it's not

strong. It's like this. I

see it. Love me, old man. And

whoa, kev. And you're probably listening to this.

Stop. Why?

Stop. Reflect and think. Why are you getting so angry?

You brought it up. You're talking at me and you tell me questions

I don't know. Yeah, but really, that's exactly

right. We're just talking about comes back to everything we just spoke

about. Sometimes it brings the worst out in people.

So courage probably went there. Jeez, we've gone into some

pretty.

Shout out. We've got two to

go. So finding your plan B. Actually, we've

got Shanna Kennedy coming on the

podcast with Colin Callender very soon as well. She

actually wrote a book called The Plan B. Eight time author, global

speaker and cole's ex

CEO of Sportsgirl. And they're doing really good things, so that's coming up. But

that's plan B. We could probably relate that one, Rochelle, back to that. But

finding your plan B. Life doesn't always go to plan and

that's wonderful if you can embrace it. Society is obsessed with the

five year plan, but it's bullshit dancing

emoji, and I couldn't agree more. Now, Jack, I'm going to throw this over to

you after I say one thing. The moment

you put a time frame or

like something on, something you want to achieve,

you're putting pressure on yourself, unwanted pressure. I don't know

why. It's good to have goals and want to get somewhere,

but don't make it so if it's in five or ten

years, because then if it's in ten years, but yourself is going to be in

five, you think it's a failure, but you got there anyway. You don't always know

your journey or how you're going to get there or what's going to happen. Have

these ambitions where you want to go, but enjoy the journey. It

doesn't matter how long it takes you. And I think this is one of the

biggest problems, society and smart goals and all these things

at workplaces. And remember, as a teacher, I used to have to do these every

year. How about I just come in and have fun and be the best

version of myself? I don't know.

I think it's crap. Yeah,

you could look at it both ways. I think it's good to have

certain goals and things that you want to tick off, but I

think with the five year plan and those sorts of long term,

it's really personal. I want to be married with a

house. It's like for me, it's like

break it down to a daily thing. I

want to get up and I want to make my bed, clean my room,

brush my teeth, and go to. The gym and make one

person smile. Simple. Yes. And having

those little things that, you know, makes

you happier makes you a better person

for me, because that pressure

of I think that five year

plan, it's a great point that Rochelle

says, and I've felt it, and I've spoken about it on the podcast recently,

oh, I don't have a girlfriend. Oh, I don't have this. And it's like a

lot of my friends are having kids. If that's

all you're working towards and. You'Re forcing it, you're missing out on

everything else. Exactly. And you're not being the best person

you can. And once you simplify it and you get back to just being a

good person, helping others, whatever you want in life

will come if you really want that. But if

you're forcing it and you're getting upset and you're wasting energy because you don't

have it, and we've all been guilty of

it at some stage but I think, yeah, for me,

I tend to agree in a lot of ways in the

terms of simplify

things, break it down to small goals

and

deciding the person you want to be before all

those materialistic sort of things and then the rest sort of

falls into place, in my opinion. I agree. And probably the other thing

is a five year plan, if you're waiting five years to

celebrate any wins in your life,

I was really guilty of this, that I delayed gratification, and then

anytime I had a goal that I'd want to achieve, I wouldn't celebrate it because

I had another one. The longer you do that,

it's horrible. You don't actually ever be happy because

you don't allow yourself to be. And more importantly, you're never present. You're never

present with the people you are because you're so fixated on something in the future

that may not even occur. You may not even get there. One of the last

things I finish every keynote with Jacko is, don't buy green bananas,

because no one eats green bananas. They're gross. You're a sicko if you

do. Oh, man, it's like eating

a stick. But if you buy green bananas, you've got to

wait for them to ripen. So you're delaying

something. We don't know how long life will be. You don't know what's going to

happen tomorrow. So if you're waiting five years to live life,

I don't know, each day is a gift. Enjoy it. Yeah. And I think there's

another great sort of reference there. I don't know if anyone out there is NBA

fans, but Janice Antetakumpo, Milwaukee

Bucks, he got asked. They were the best team all year,

and he got asked they got knocked out in the playoffs against a really good

team. And one of the reporters said, oh, do you consider this year a failure?

And it went sort of viral because he said, if

you consider just because we lost the championship, do you think it's a

failure? He asked the reporter, he said, at your job, do you

get a raise or a promotion every single year or every

couple of months? No, you don't. But do you consider that a failure every

single time? No, because you got to enjoy the journey.

You're always working towards something, and that's where I see those small little

goals are where it's at, because that gets you on the right track to

where you want to be, to the bigger goals eventually, but it's not the be

all and end all. To win the gold medal, to win the championship, to win

that. The journey is what it's all about, isn't it?

I must admit, I remember watching that and going, that is

just that's spot on, because it is a journey.

You don't want to just not live life until you get where you want to

be. You've got to enjoy the journey, and that's the highs and the lows, and

that's the courage. Previous question, enjoying that

and being able to sit through the hard times, but also the good times

to get where you want to go. So I feel having a vision of where

you want to be is important, but don't get so fixated on a

certain amount of time ahead that you forget what's happening

tomorrow, because that's all you can control. You can only control now.

The past is gone. The future may never happen. We are in the

dungeon at the moment with the dragons and the fairies. Jack fire, baby,

too. We are. This is going to be a short potty. And we're rolling

here, baby. I'll go to the last one, mate.

So, gut instincts, learning to know when a career

relationship situation is right or wrong. I'll

pass that over to you. Great, man.

Discuss.

That's a really interesting one, because I think for me,

I guess I've had relationships in the past where I've, you

know, I've obviously left left them and finished them off and

and then later on or thought had second guesses or second

thoughts and then also footy career, you know, should

I have moved earlier? Should I have done this basketball career? How do you know?

And so, yeah, I guess trusting your gut.

Yeah. I think in the end, if it gets to

a point where, for me,

it comes down to enjoyment. Enjoyment

and how much you're enjoying your life and how much it's affecting you because

there is a balance we can't just have it's not

clouds and rainbows and roses all the time, is it? Dale. You got to put

your head down, bum up occasionally and work hard and go through some stuff

that's not ideal to support your family and

whatever it might be. But at the same

time, if it's affecting your life in such a way, like, that

becomes so negative and it's such a deterrent

to happiness. And I think definitely

your gut kicks in there

and sort of helps you on your way to make that

decision, to move on or

to chase something. I really want that and chase it

hard. I don't know. It's an

interesting one. Trust in your gut when a relationship. Or

yeah, I think

courage and I've mentioned each I think each question was spoken about

today relates back to courage. Courage to believe in

yourself, that what you're feeling is the right thing and that

sometimes, even if people don't agree with you, you

know, in yourself. And I'll go back to my first

marriage, I knew I wasn't right and it wasn't

the right thing and it would have been easier just to stick it

out. But I'm like,

it's not right and people don't agree and you upset people

or different things like that. But that's the short term

sometimes. I always look back at that and I'm

like, I wasn't a good person then. The best

I could be. The situation wasn't right and a lot of my own

doing. It's easier sometimes just to

accept and stay there. Gut feeling, though,

sometimes is really hard and that's why you get rewards

down the track. You won't always see them at the start. And I think that's

the hardest thing when you make a decision like that, like you're saying that with

a relationship or whatever, that you didn't think it was right. But then it's really

hard, so it's easy to go back. And I think that's gut feeling,

like it doesn't feel good. Yeah,

and I think you made such a good point there. Like when it's

comfortable, it's easy to just and it's the same

with so many people at their work or in their

relationships or whatever it might be.

It's comfortable and it's easy, but it's

not optimum, it's not giving you everything. It's not fulfilling and

it's sort of like, okay, but that's a hard

decision because it's so hard huge thing in your life,

your work or your relationship is such a big part of your

life. So ending something there or

leaving your job, it's scary because the future is

unknown, isn't it? And it's like

but yeah, I think your gut instinct

how many times have you sort of hung around in

something for a long, long period when you've had that gut

feeling? Twelve months ago. Yeah. And you haven't done it. You haven't done

it. You haven't done it and you've waited and it's finally twelve months later and

you go, Shit, I wish I did that. And in hindsight, we

spoke about each other week. I'd love a hindsight pill. It'd be amazing.

But sometimes it's easier to validate it. If you just stick

around, it gets worse and worse and worse, and then that's like, oh yeah, it's

easier now to leave. Sometimes, though, you feel it and

you're like, Nah, this isn't right.

Everyone's different though. And then also, I can sort of

see sometimes to stick things out.

Yes. And that's sort of what's a great point.

Sometimes you get through a rough patch and the

gold sort of lies on the other end of that,

which I've certainly experienced myself,

whether it's finishing my master's degree

yeah. My gut, I hated it and this was the most boring thing

ever and am I going to have anything out of it? Anything going to come

of it? But stuck it out. And the sense of pride and

accomplishment that I felt at the end of that was like nothing I'd felt

before. And it doesn't even matter that you're not

using it or anything. That was something that you committed to do, and

you did it so you didn't let yourself down. I think that's and

it's so easy. It's easy to leave so easily because you could have made

any excuse up you wanted. I've got a business

clothes, I just play footy. I've got a good life. I actually

don't need this. But then the moment you quit that, then what else is a

snowball effect of that? They're like, if it gets tough, what else could I just

quit? Because I don't need it? So

I think that's what it comes down to, doesn't it? Is leaving

something? You've got to really think about the

reason you're leaving is it making me miserable?

Is it like actually or

creating a really sort of negative environment in my

life? Or do I just sort of not want to do it? Yeah, is it

too hard? Is it too hard? And they're very different things

100%. And I look at it as is this allowing me to be the

best possible version of a person and a human I can be for

myself and then the people in my life. And

that's when it gets really tough because they're hard

questions. But I think, like we've spoken about with everything

hard questions leave to hard results, to decisions

that end up shaping the person you are if

you allow them to. I think everything comes back to how you reflect.

I think your masters is a great one, mate. Like, how many people

in your situation, particularly you played footy with or in the

AFL that most people start a degree or something like that? How many people

actually finish it? Because I don't need to.

But then I just feel once you quit something

or just because it's hard. That's not gut feeling.

That's sometimes just quitting and it can sneak in yeah.

Aspects. And then it's a snowball effect of different

things. But I think gut feeling around situations or

just are you the best possible version of yourself

in that environment, in that job, in that relationship, wherever you are

in your life? And if you're not, then, yeah, go with your

gut. I don't know. Hope

we've rochelle, how have we gone there? Rochelle, send us

another message. That was going to be a short episode. We've gone

over 50 minutes again. Jacko, isn't it funny? When we started, I think the first

episode was about 1015 minutes. They were talking about

now it's just flowing flows. Yeah. I really enjoy that, like, getting

different perspectives. But again, it comes back. I

think we're very similar in our morals and values.

I just think the more you talk to someone I resonate with

all the things you said there. Yeah. And we've had completely different

upbringings experience, so we are very different.

But I feel like what we're trying to be is quite

similar. We're both trying to head in that similar

direction of who we want to be as people and how we

want to treat others. And it's not always perfect. Neither of us

are perfect. We both make plenty of mistakes. But

I think as we spoke about being open minded and

caring and try and think of others and what they're

going through, can leave him in pretty good stead.

100%. Well, listeners, thank you very much. That's another episode

down. Just to plant the seed, we've

got a Collingwood Superstar premiership player,

very good. Golfer, very good golfer. Hits the ball very

well, very good at most sports.

He is very good. He's a natural sportsman. Good

bloke. I think I'm more fascinated with

his year. She's after that arm.

Arm and in hospital and the infections

and then obviously win the flag. So next week, yeah, we'll have

Jeremy Howe on, which I'm excited to it's

always nice when we can chat someone we both know. Tell you what, the Overly

Excited podcast, we're going to have to be very careful. Just not

let things escalate after this one. Friday morning, we're doing

it. Afternoon. Sun coming in. I've actually got to go into a

keynote in the city, so thank God I'll be leaving you. Thank goodness. But

I'm very excited for that. And I know Jez, he's pretty pumped as

well. He's been a longtime listener, first time caller.

Can't wait to get him on. But anyway, thanks again. Boob.

Runners, message in. And more importantly, at the

Overly Excited underscore, reach out to Jack.

Send him a message, either on his Instagram or ours,

saying why you would like to go to a different event with the

great man, the big six foot five, half

marathon superstar that loves a good

show or two. And also, say what you're loving about the show, because I

think that's what really inspires us. I

know I was showing my wife, I'm like, this is

incredible. It's so nice. And

I don't ever undervalue sending a nice message

like that if it's impacting.

It's made me feel really good, mate. I mean, I think the topic of the

pod was courage. And to have the courage. I think

we all probably have those thoughts occasionally, like, oh, I'd love to let that person

but no, they won't want to listen to me. Or they won't want to hear

from me. Hear from you and take the courage.

Use your courage and send us a message because we love it and appreciate it.

So thank you very much. Beautiful. All right, Watsey. Pleasure, mate. Enjoy

the enjoy the fairy.

The butterflies just came back to their stomach.