Finding Courage in the Unknown: Overcoming Fear and Embracing New Experiences on The Overly Excited Podcast
It. You're going. Okay, we're back
jeez the overly excited podcast. Here we go. We're ten
plus episodes in, don't you worry about that. I'm Jack Watts
and my incredibly good looking co host, Dale Sidebottom,
is sitting across from me. I
feel like I haven't seen you for a while, mate. No, we're just talking about
that before. Isn't it funny? When we first met,
we'll see each other nearly every day and things change or whatever,
and we didn't do a podcast last week because we
had one in the bank, which I must admit, I really did miss. Yeah, I
was the same. And coming back to it now, this week, you sort of think,
oh, shit. What? We talk like it's a long time before we've done
another one, so I've missed it's. Good to be back. You've been a busy
boy, mate. Been a busy boy. It's been a bit on. I've just got back
from Sydney, was in Sydney for the weekend, which was good
fun. And then the week before, I ran the marathon, the half
marathon. Let's not get ahead of it. Half marathon. Still very impressive,
mate. Don't undersell that. Yeah,
it was actually a lot of fun. And the challenge,
we go to Body Fit and we smash ourselves and we try to but it's
an hour. It's an hour of mixed up things. It's not continuous. 45
exactly. I did it in an hour and
47. And it's good going, pushing your body to
those sort of limits. I really enjoyed the feeling afterwards
of just being absolutely spent and
sore and my knee was cooked and my hips and my
leg was sore and it was a beautiful feeling,
which I've missed. Did you enjoy the last five
k's? Oh, no.
I know exactly. You didn't train for it. I've done two myself and I
thought, bit arrogant, I'll just be able to do it without training. I enjoyed
the first ten k's of each. I despised.
I'd never had so many demons in my head, those last five. And the only
reason you keep going is because there's people around you can't look like
the weak one that needs stop them all.
It's so funny because this guy through Morty Sea
dippers, Shawnee, and he did it with me.
And me, him and Amy, we
sort of ran together at the start and then we were going at sort of
six minute k pace and I sort of was feeling like, let's get going here.
So I sort of took off and went off on my own and I
was a bit arrogant at the start. Same thing. Talking to he was videoing the
whole thing and talking to him, oh, we're fresh, we're fine, blah, blah, blah.
You would love that, though. Yeah, I was all over it. He was ten times
more than me. You love it. I love it.
And then anyway, so off I went. And I'm not joking, I got to
about well, got about the ten k mark and the right hip just started
to pack up. Just pulling the hip through it. Just started drinking
that just constant thudding. It's like four or five times body weight, each
time drinking. That just repetition. Well, I had a really sore
back going into it, so I think the back right side of my back pulling
on the hip, trying to drag it through. Big you got big levers,
mate. You're a big lad. Chunky thing these days.
Looking all right, mate. But anyway, so he's
sort of a long way back running with Amy, and then he's just
zoomed up, caught up to me and he stopped filming. He probably stopped videoing and
started running. And started actually running. So then he gets up to me with about
six days to go, and as he said, that's just the demons
are and I'm wearing this gray shirt.
I did see that. Now we're both demon sweaters.
That would be literally seriously. I think it
was a bit of water. There was a bit of water. No,
there's not. You're a demon sweater. I would be wearing black or
white. What were you thinking? It was the Connor's run
shirt. Why would it be? If you don't
mind showing the sweat how much you're worth. Who cares? You're running a
marathon, half marathon, like, it good on you. But you were sweating a lot. I
was sweating, yeah. I love it.
And he comes running up. Oh,
what's he how are you going, mate? Oh, yeah, let's go. Where do we get
it? And I was just running, like literally the last
ten minutes, I've been thinking, how do I should I run in front of this
car here? Should I just trip? Should I turn an ankle on purpose? And how
can I not finish this? How can I get out of this thing? Because I
was in the Hurt Locker. And then he comes up and just keeps I'm
thinking, Shit, if he talks to me for the next seven k's here, I'm
in big trouble. Thankfully he said, all right, I'm going to have a crack now.
And off he went into the distance. But, yeah,
made it. Was happy. Was happy that I finished it. And it
was just such a good vibe at the everyone there
is pumped and excited and happy that they've done
something, trying to get themselves better. Yeah, it
was good fun. I had a good mate I caught up with
on Saturday, come around for a barbecue with the kids and had swimming pool.
It was really nice. I hadn't seen him for a long time because he trained
really hard for it and he did in like three minutes.
15 for the 3 hours. 15. Sorry.
The whole marathon. That's good going.
That's quicker than my half. Not comparing, but
he did a lot of training and
I find it really fascinating, particularly I've got a lot of mates that are
triathlons and well will. One of your best mates is doing the noosa.
Soon, the training that you do for that, it's all
on your own. You're swimming, looking at that black line
you're running and ride. You might do it with some other people, but most of
the time you're doing it early morning or late night. And I know my mate
Run, he's work all day, he's got three kids, he'd run
from, like, eight till ten every night by himself.
I was like, Mate, well done. That's such an achievement to get
that time. So that's what I mean. Like you said, everyone that's in the
stadium, they've all achieved something. And I think that's
such a good point, what you said, like, not comparing yourself, never others, because you
shouldn't, because everyone's so different and at different stages, and it's
just your achievement is the fact that you've gone, you've
done it, you've trained, however much you might have trained and you've
completed it, and it's the best feeling. Who cares
if someone has gone and run? Which plenty of them
do, and they run. Incredible times. It's got nothing to do with it. And that's
sort of what I've finally started to realize with running and with doing this stuff,
like, a bit longer distance running is, like, because I
think I always used to I'd compare myself to how I used to run
or I'd compare myself to other guys that I
play with that are doing marathons and half marathons now and they're running
them in fucking who knows what. These crazy
times. And it's like, I know I'm never going to be able to do that.
I'm six inches taller than them and I've got an extra 20
kilos on them and it doesn't matter what they're doing
or what, it's just like it's that sense of accomplishment which
I really enjoyed. Do you know what you've just mentioned there, though? That's
life. Why do we compare
everything to other people? Our jobs, our titles, how much
money we make, what assets we have, how many
followers. Like, all these different things is exactly the same
as a half or a marathon. What do people say to you? Oh, what time
did you run? Yeah, exactly not. How did you enjoy it? What was the best
part about it? I couldn't give a shit what time you ran. I just knew
the last five k's would be hard and you would have been up and about
for the first ten.
Everyone gets the same feeling at the end. Yeah, exactly. The only time that feeling
goes away is when you start comparing your time to other people.
Yeah, exactly. And I think it's more if you set yourself something and you
don't achieve it, or if you set yourself or if, you know, you could probably
get that time and then your training wasn't quite there and you
were. Mucking around beforehand or whatever it might be. Or some people
just like to do it and enjoy it, and there's no sort of pressure on
it, and that's fine too. But I think that's the best
thing about events like that. Everyone is supporting
and embracing each other. I think we're our own worst
enemies because we're the ones that compare times or different things
like that, but when you just let all that go and you complete
something, it's a really rewarding.
I think that's brilliant, mate. Yeah, I agree. I don't know many.
I haven't done any other ones besides that one. And the Beach
Road, the Sandy .1 or whatever, running into the MCG.
Wowie, that's a coliseum, baby.
And for everyone else, probably there, they hadn't played a few games on
there, so for other people, it probably means more. But it's probably a
nice thing for you to do, too. Different experience.
Yeah. It wasn't copping abuse over the fence and wasn't having.
Cheese boards. No cheese, actually.
The stands were packed, everyone just there
watching their friends come in. And that's what I love. It was absolutely
packed. I mean, I was absolutely cooked. So I didn't
really just get me over finish
line, but no, that
was great. So that was last week and then led into
Sydney. Yeah, went up to Sydney, watch a mate play. His band,
Telenova, was playing up there on the Friday night. Yeah, just got up there and
then just had a beautiful weekend.
It's funny that the Melbourne V Sydney sort of
rivalry, they're all snobs and they're all this, they're all
that. I finally got up there. I'm 32 years old and finally got
up there and sorry, what do you mean? Well, I've been there
plenty of times. Yeah, but you just flew in? Flew out. But, yeah, it's always
been pretty quick, or it's been whatever it might be.
But this was just a nice sort of wholesome weekend where I got around and
saw everything and did the walks and played golf and
yeah, it's certainly won me over. New South Wales, Sydney,
look out. Very nice beaches, very well
designed city. You can see why people love
it. It's picturesque. It's
incredible. One of the things, I must admit,
you sent me a message today, what's his book club? Now
we need to tell someone a joke. I was like, I don't know if people
listening to the Eddie Pervy podcast but thought I was telling this good joke and
it was the pit. I still don't think it was
too bad. We just didn't quite catch it. No one caught it. That's a bad
joke. Anyway, I had to ask
you what you were talking about today, because I had no idea, but what's his
book club, I must admit. And we're going to talk about a few messages,
and particularly one there's a few questions we're going to focus on today, mate, but
I had about three or four people message and ring me saying, how
refreshing. You talking about your dragons and your
Dungeons and Dragon Ball Z as
well. People didn't realize you're just this nerd. And
now, because of the podcast, the reach, the dynamic
reach of the overly excited podcast, we have started a movement.
Dale, I'm getting messages left, right and center. I'm
talking people just want to join this book club
so we can discuss what Pharaoh is doing with Tamlin
and is she betraying
the love her life to head over with Rhysan. But who
knows? I don't know who's the right, who's wrong. So we've got a good little
following now. I reckon I've got about three or. Four, maybe five
people reading, like the same book. Same book. We're in
constant contact. Oh, did you finish this chapter? What'd you think of this?
So if anyone's to
and I mean, it's funny, I went up to Sydney and basically the whole time
I just wanted to read my book, get back to the hotel and get back
into. Fairies now. Into
fairies. So we got through the dragon. So Fourth Wing,
the new book of that, the second of that series, comes out in November,
early November. So very excited for that. But
I had a bit of time in between, so I thought, all right, I'll start
this. It's called a court of Thorns and Roses was the first one.
And a court of Mist and Fury, I think, is the second one. And
so I'm heading towards the end of the second book now already, and it's
just I mean, this podcast. Can we hurry up? Because I need to get home
and finish this book. I'm like, what do you got on?
Oh, it's heating up, mate, I'm telling you. I was
actually on my lunch break at work today in this cafe
and I was reading it and this scene comes up. Oh,
my goodness. There's this scene they go into
this sort of I'll try not to give away, but go into a bit of
a dungeon. They have to play the character sort of
like he has to make it seem like she
is his little pet sort of thing. So she
sits on his lap and then it's going through and his hands
are caressed, going under my dread. And I'm sitting there in this
bloody cafe getting a bit hot and flustered, and I have to
look up every now and then thinking, Jesus, hope that no one's
watching me. I find this fascinating because
I'll be so honest with you, and I was before. I got no
desire ever to even contemplate giving it a
go. No, but that doesn't mean
I'm really curious. But that's what you like. And
I love it that we get along on so many different levels, but this
I never would have could further apart. I'm not judging you one little bit. I
actually love it. I think it's brilliant. But I just find
it's so amazing people don't share that stuff, though,
that they're at cafes talking about Dungeons and. Dragons on
laps and that erotica fairy erotica reading it in the cafe,
getting a bit of sweat under the brow. I tell you what oh,
Fayer, stop that.
Anyone else? If anyone's sort of reading or has read
the Court series and wants to sort of just slip into my DMs
and I could talk about it all day, join the book club, get on
board, we're taking people. Also, I
had a little thought today about what I could bring to the pod. Dale yes.
Jacko now, look, as we've spoken
about, I'm a lonely man, lonely 32 year. Old and totally
haven't stopped we haven't
painted that. No. Okay. Don't change that. Please start again. That
was just being that was like. I'm not editing that out. But I've had to
do that once before for the while. But this is start again.
Okay. No, well, it was going towards
why I buy a lot of tickets to things. Because as
we've spoken about, I love musicals. That's better.
Love some live music.
So I've bought a whole lot of tickets, which a lot of them are coming
up over the next let me just have a quick look in my
wallet. But I often buy two or three tickets because I don't want to
go on my own, but I don't really have anyone to go with me.
Is that because you, like, going different people all the time? Like, not the same
ones? That's cool. Yeah. I just like having it there ready so
that the week leading into it. I can sort of ask
someone who maybe I haven't seen for a while, or maybe I haven't, or someone
I want to maybe someone I want to impress. Dale who knows?
But I've got let's just have a quick real Tina
Arena, who unfortunately just had to cancel her.
Did she? This is one. And we'll get back to that
first ever CD I ever bought. No Tina Arena.
No, tina's a god. I don't know. But that was my first ever.
That's amazing. Yeah. What was yours? Mine was
like boomtown or whatever. Crazy town butterfly. Oh,
come, come. I won't sing anymore, but
yeah. So there you go. There's one for you. But Kego. So Tina renna. What?
She's canceled. She canceled her, sorrento moon.
Oh my God. She's an absolute superstar. But I've
got Wicked the Musicals. I mean, a few of them are a
fair way away, but some of them are coming up. Paramore tickets, the national
tickets, greenspoon tickets.
I'll take you up on that. Actually, here's a story for you.
DJ so Ballerina went to Ballarat.
So one night, Grinspoon were playing, and then so I mixed
like I was DJing after them into TV rock. It was
like, wow, I thought you've made it here, dad. And now
don't do any of it. That one night shedding
Ballarat like, so. Are we getting sort of you
reckon maybe we could get backstage with your contact. I
would get so far from nowhere near backstage, mate. Sorry. Did you have any
others? No, sorry, I interrupted twice on that. Sorry. That's absolutely
fine. But anyway but what I was thinking was,
to our broad listener
demographic, I'm putting it out there, if you'd
like to come with me to one of these shows, because there's a fair
few there can accommodate all sort of demographics and
interests and write into the pod, right
into us. On our instagram. On the Instagram, we don't have
anywhere. Maybe one day we'll have a website and things, but we don't at the
moment, we're nowhere near that. No, that's right. We
keep it simple here at the Overly Excited podcast. So right into the
Instagram and tell me why I should take
you to why I should be lucky enough to
have you join me on a trip down to either the Forum
or Sydney Maya Music Bowl or the Regent
Theatre. I'd love to hear them, I'd love to look through them and
would love to take someone out for a beautiful. Night and maybe also say
what you've most enjoyed
about what we've created so far, because that's what
we want. Absolutely, yes. You want to take someone because they want to go to
something, but also why they're actually doing it. They have purpose
behind it. Absolutely. Very generous of you there, Jack. You are a very
generous man, though. You are, I think, as we spoke about,
I think, giving and making other people feel good. That's what it's
all about, isn't it? That's what I get a lot of my happiness and my
worth from and my joy and yeah, I really enjoy
it. I think everybody does. A lot of people are
scared, though, because sometimes you put it out there
and you're being vulnerable
by giving or trying to help someone, or you don't know how they're going to
respond, but when you can let that go, it's really powerful. Yeah,
I think I've just always had that sort of idea and thought
that, what's the worst that can happen, really? Like, even with
something like this, the worst that can happen is no one writes. I'm
sure they will. No one writes. All right,
Jackets, just random call it DS here.
Welcome to Grinspoon. I just
think, like I don't know,
it's probably something I've always had is just like that
desire to have fun and enjoy myself. And I think I can sort of do
that in any scenario. And
especially I think I get a lot of energy and excitement from meeting
new people, and this is a way to
do it. Well, I think it's pretty cool, mate.
I'm all for it. My current situation
wasn't, as you can probably tell, mate, I'm quite horsey
here. The kids are back at daycare, Bree's back at work, and I've been
looking after two sick kids after one day at daycare today. So that was
my day my
existence is a little bit different. Sounding so depressive
there, but maybe I can come to Grinspoon
anyway. All right, how do
I start this? We got a couple of brilliant
messages on our Instagram. I know we've had
personal ones and telephone calls from people we know. These couple,
though, we don't know them, and they've just followed us
and their heartfelt messages. Wow.
For me, I was like, this is why we're doing it. Yeah, you sent it
to me. We just had a bit of a moment
to see that. From that we've created something.
And people out there who we don't know, they're not mum. Thanks, Mum,
for listening every week, but it's not mum, it's not
my cousin or my best friend, it's absolute
randoms who have enjoyed what we've done and that's why we
do it, really, isn't it? And that so honest and open and
it really blew me away. So not going to give away all their names, but
there was one that really hit a chord and obviously we want more people to
do this, but Rochelle wrote in, what you guys are creating is
inspiring, relatable and vulnerable. It's so refreshing to hear
two blokes talking the way you do. And then she goes on to share a
little bit about her story and things she's doing and so forth like that, which
I won't share, but she wanted us to discuss
three questions and get a guest on or somebody that could talk about
them. And, mate, I'm like, there's only two people that need to talk about
these. This is what we want. I think they're great questions and like
we've spoken about, we are so similar on so many ways when we
first started this, but what we're finding out, we're not. I think that's the
best thing. When you sit down with somebody and actually allow conversation to
take place, you figure out that you are different than anyone else, no
one else like you on the planet. I love it when you allow
that. Isn't it whatsoever? So, got three
questions and I just would go one at a time. And
I suppose if people are listening to this and they do have questions like
this, send them through. Like, if they're on your mind, we want to
talk about them too, because they're probably topical or they probably
relate to us. Courage. I love courage.
Courage. Feeling the fear and doing things anyway.
Woohoo. Taking the leap out of your comfort zone.
Now, we have spoken about this one a little bit, jacko, we're
completely different on this. How would you say?
And I'll talk, I just do things.
I don't know where that's come from. I am just lucky enough I can just
do that and I don't really care about the consequences. Make it work. I know
that I'm probably not even 1% of the population with
that and I don't take that for granted. I'm very lucky. But we've spoken about
the podcast and starting it and how hard that was for you
because it was so far out of your comfort zone, what have you learned?
Or what do you look at courage as? Like if you relate it back to
the podcast but then other things you've done or how you're
growing from that? Yeah, I think courage takes on so many forms, doesn't
it? And it's so different for so many people for someone
getting out of the house, moving, going out in public is a really
courageous thing, for others, that's easy. I
think for everyone it's so different
but yeah, I think certainly relating to the podcast,
for me it was very nerve wracking starting out because
we're putting ourselves out there.
Do we know we're. Going to I certainly did.
I didn't know I felt
comfortable enough to and I suppose I haven't done that on
I don't know, I think because it's just us and I feel really comfortable with
you, that just happened. I didn't know I don't set sort
of boundaries or parameters of what I'm going to do, it just happens,
it happens. But for me, I've probably shown more courage on
this than I have in other platforms.
And then I think I guess the courage of
it being our first or my first time at something
and then obviously it was when we were going to ask guests
on and I was going to be that was really scary to me because
I was thinking, I'm no professional at this. So things that
I as I've spoken about taking someone out for a
night out, for me, that's not scary.
For some people, that would be so scary, and it would
take so much courage for them to do that. But for me, that's not but
for me, I think yeah, trying to just
things that I'm not a professional at or I
haven't practiced or I like to be
competent at something before I really give it a red hot crack. And I think
coming into this, it was
foreign territory. I think that was
probably just taking those first few steps. And
now the beauty of it after
the Eddie Perfect episode and we're driving home
and we had that moment again, it was like, how fucking good was
that? Know? But I was so stressed before
oh, what if I don't ask good questions? Or what if you
know, just to sort of have a few under our belt where I've
got through them and then felt so good afterwards so now I can almost
trick myself even when the nerves come and to say, you know
what, you're going to love it, you're going to absolutely love it. It's like going
to the gym, it's like doing an ice bath, you never feel worse
afterwards no, but you're stressed beforehand and
you're stressed oh, do I really want to do it? But yeah,
so that's probably for me, that's where the
courage came into it with the pod. I love everything you just
mentioned there and I think the way we
talk to other people about what's natural for
us is really hurtful sometimes. So
just do it because it's easy for me. Just do it. Just message them,
it's fine. I'm not being empathetic to you because I don't know how
hard that is for you. It's like when we're talking about you're 32, everyone's
like, oh, when are you going to get a partner? It was like when we
got married. When are you going to have a kid? Or when are you going
to have your next kid? People don't mean to do that, but
they're hurtful. How do they know if we're not having a lot of
trouble trying to have a kid or that you don't
know how to find a partner or like, that you get anxious
asking somebody to be on a podcast. Don't assume just
because something's easy for you that it's easy for someone else.
The courage comes from within. Telling
somebody what they should do is the complete opposite of that. And I
don't realize, people just aren't
aware. It does
frustrate me because I know I used to do it and I'd just say, people,
you just got to start. And I said that to you and it's made me
really think about it that's but I'm different,
I'm different, but there'd be other things that you would say something to
me that would hit a chord with me. Yeah, and I think I've
lived my life with this sort of one little mantra that's sort
of stuck with me for a long time. It's like the ability to put yourself
in someone else's shoes is the most important skill, I
think, big time because
you can't do it completely and you don't know everything that's going on with someone.
But even if you just show the effort that you're thinking
about what maybe they're going through and how they might react
to in all my life with mentors and
friends and family and coaches and the ones
that absolutely stuck with me and I love till the end
of the earth are the ones that I know. They
are making an effort to understand why I'm feeling the way I am and
why I react the way I am, even though I know they don't agree with
a lot of it or they're completely different in their own ways and their own
morals. But they're trying
to create that connection. So yeah, I think that's a
great point you make. I think about it a lot
and probably because for a lot of my
life I blamed a lot of other people for the way I was and
because I wasn't happy in the person I was, because it was easier to do
it that way. But now that I've owned that
now different interactions or like particularly when we had that
chat and I'm like sometimes you have to have that. Hard chat
to realize but then you learn from it. It's like courage
doing something, yeah, you've done it, but then how did it
make you feel? What outcome was it? It doesn't matter, you did it. What can
you do next? And it's not these don't set huge
goals and it's exactly the same as the way you interact with
people just because you need to be spoken to a
certain way. It's exactly I feel in sport analogy again,
look at old coaches, particularly when you're going through
everyone's getting spoken to the same. We're all different, we all get motivated
different ways. You look at the good coaches now, they're coaches, they're
mentors educators, father figures, 100%
because they know what everybody needs and that's exactly
what you've got to be to anyone in your life or anyone you're having a
conversation with. And that for me is courage.
Owning the way you speak to people and
doing something about it. And if you've done something that didn't work out
right, reflect on it, make sure it doesn't happen again.
Because you can always do things to yourself
and that's fine. You're not hurting anyone else. But the way a
question or you tell somebody that you should just do it. I don't
know. I think that is something that
people don't really understand the impact
that their words are having sometimes because they don't have the same impact
to them. Yeah. And I think self reflection,
introspection is so important in that space and then there's a
whole nother skill of being able to communicate it after that, which
is really difficult too, our conversation. And
then you have these realizations to actually tell someone
I fucked up there. I realized, okay, I'm sorry that I
was feeling this way and I was feeling like you weren't really coming to the
table with this or that's why I got frustrated. But I see now
that whatever it might be, that's a really hard skill and you got to work
at that. But that's courage. That's courage.
Owning the space we talk about inside the arena.
You're in the arena when you're with anyone else.
That's courage for me, not doing something for the first time
or whatever, that's just doing something. I
feel when you can own the space with other people and
reflect on it and want to get better, I don't know.
But like most things it's bloody hard and it's not
easy. But I don't think anything should be easy because then it's like a
half marathon. Why do you feel so good at the end?
Because you've done something that your body wasn't not saying.
Everyone else there didn't train, but you didn't train so you did
something that was really pushing yourself. What's
the old saying, Dale? If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
Everyone would be doing it. There's a lot of people in the stands, wasn't there?
You didn't see them though because you're looking at the group.
Giraffe doing it is interesting. And it's
the same with being self aware.
There's not a whole lot of people that are at that stage yet. It's a
journey, definitely, but it's certainly, I
would say, easy to find people who are in their own zone and think that
their life is by far the most important over everyone else than there's
not. We could talk about
that a lot because I just think people aren't and I'll have
mates who will say, right outside of you, you're talking all your
stuff again. I'm like, yeah, that's fine. And a lot of time that
might be because it might hit a chord with them that they knew the person
I used to be and I'm trying to change. We all still
make mistakes, but I'm aware of it. I don't know, I think that's courage
when you can say that I still will make mistakes. So are you. And I
love that from you. And I
remember Stephen Fry, he's a bit of an idol of
mine, like, just the smartest man ever. And I remember him saying
something about
how can some people be so sure of themselves? He's willing to
listen and he's willing to take their opinion on board. But to tell someone
you're right or you're wrong, how do you
know? Do you know what I mean? And that ability to be
open minded and take
in other people's opinions, views, obviously
there's certain things, science and facts and whatever, that are locked
in, but around that, people can have different
opinions about anything and it's like they're not right, they're not wrong. It's how they
feel, it's their experience, it's what they've grown up with, the reason they
have that feeling. And that's what I am so
interested in, is why people okay, how did you get to that
point of feeling this way? I was in Sydney
recently and I was catching up with an old friend up there.
And this is just a little side story, but I'll go there
because when you go inside, I'm in the zone. Good.
This is courage. Keep going. So anyway, I was having a chat, haven't
seen her in a long, long time. And the referendum
conversation came up and there
was something about and it was sort of like, oh, she asked me what'd you
do? And I said, you don't really have to even ask me. It's sort of
like a bit of a no brainer for me. Of course I voted
yes. You're brainwashed. You're brainwashed. You've got
them.
Was I listened to her, she didn't listen to you. And as soon as
I sort of said, oh, look, I can take that on board, she was talking
about funding and they're trying to divide and I'm
saying, I get it. You might have read some article on Facebook or whatever,
that's fine. And then I tried to have my piece
and sort of talk about I've spoken to plenty of my indigenous mates
who have said they've had their piece and they've said that for
them, it's a step in the right direction. Yeah, it's not
perfect, but to have indigenous people making decisions on
it makes sense. So that's all I need to hear.
That's your decision. But she would just bang you're wrong. And it
was sort of like, Come on.
That'S the last thing I'd ever want to talk about on any show, is
politics just makes people, they get
really angry, like, just straight away, instead of being
curious, not even judgmental, they get angry. And I think, Isn't that exactly what we're
talking about? I know for them to not be able to have an open minded
conversation about it and take in other people's point of views and I
find it's because politics, it affects them personally in certain
ways. So the things that affect them personally, they have such
strong views on, but. It'S anger, it's not
strong. It's like this. I
see it. Love me, old man. And
whoa, kev. And you're probably listening to this.
Stop. Why?
Stop. Reflect and think. Why are you getting so angry?
You brought it up. You're talking at me and you tell me questions
I don't know. Yeah, but really, that's exactly
right. We're just talking about comes back to everything we just spoke
about. Sometimes it brings the worst out in people.
So courage probably went there. Jeez, we've gone into some
pretty.
Shout out. We've got two to
go. So finding your plan B. Actually, we've
got Shanna Kennedy coming on the
podcast with Colin Callender very soon as well. She
actually wrote a book called The Plan B. Eight time author, global
speaker and cole's ex
CEO of Sportsgirl. And they're doing really good things, so that's coming up. But
that's plan B. We could probably relate that one, Rochelle, back to that. But
finding your plan B. Life doesn't always go to plan and
that's wonderful if you can embrace it. Society is obsessed with the
five year plan, but it's bullshit dancing
emoji, and I couldn't agree more. Now, Jack, I'm going to throw this over to
you after I say one thing. The moment
you put a time frame or
like something on, something you want to achieve,
you're putting pressure on yourself, unwanted pressure. I don't know
why. It's good to have goals and want to get somewhere,
but don't make it so if it's in five or ten
years, because then if it's in ten years, but yourself is going to be in
five, you think it's a failure, but you got there anyway. You don't always know
your journey or how you're going to get there or what's going to happen. Have
these ambitions where you want to go, but enjoy the journey. It
doesn't matter how long it takes you. And I think this is one of the
biggest problems, society and smart goals and all these things
at workplaces. And remember, as a teacher, I used to have to do these every
year. How about I just come in and have fun and be the best
version of myself? I don't know.
I think it's crap. Yeah,
you could look at it both ways. I think it's good to have
certain goals and things that you want to tick off, but I
think with the five year plan and those sorts of long term,
it's really personal. I want to be married with a
house. It's like for me, it's like
break it down to a daily thing. I
want to get up and I want to make my bed, clean my room,
brush my teeth, and go to. The gym and make one
person smile. Simple. Yes. And having
those little things that, you know, makes
you happier makes you a better person
for me, because that pressure
of I think that five year
plan, it's a great point that Rochelle
says, and I've felt it, and I've spoken about it on the podcast recently,
oh, I don't have a girlfriend. Oh, I don't have this. And it's like a
lot of my friends are having kids. If that's
all you're working towards and. You'Re forcing it, you're missing out on
everything else. Exactly. And you're not being the best person
you can. And once you simplify it and you get back to just being a
good person, helping others, whatever you want in life
will come if you really want that. But if
you're forcing it and you're getting upset and you're wasting energy because you don't
have it, and we've all been guilty of
it at some stage but I think, yeah, for me,
I tend to agree in a lot of ways in the
terms of simplify
things, break it down to small goals
and
deciding the person you want to be before all
those materialistic sort of things and then the rest sort of
falls into place, in my opinion. I agree. And probably the other thing
is a five year plan, if you're waiting five years to
celebrate any wins in your life,
I was really guilty of this, that I delayed gratification, and then
anytime I had a goal that I'd want to achieve, I wouldn't celebrate it because
I had another one. The longer you do that,
it's horrible. You don't actually ever be happy because
you don't allow yourself to be. And more importantly, you're never present. You're never
present with the people you are because you're so fixated on something in the future
that may not even occur. You may not even get there. One of the last
things I finish every keynote with Jacko is, don't buy green bananas,
because no one eats green bananas. They're gross. You're a sicko if you
do. Oh, man, it's like eating
a stick. But if you buy green bananas, you've got to
wait for them to ripen. So you're delaying
something. We don't know how long life will be. You don't know what's going to
happen tomorrow. So if you're waiting five years to live life,
I don't know, each day is a gift. Enjoy it. Yeah. And I think there's
another great sort of reference there. I don't know if anyone out there is NBA
fans, but Janice Antetakumpo, Milwaukee
Bucks, he got asked. They were the best team all year,
and he got asked they got knocked out in the playoffs against a really good
team. And one of the reporters said, oh, do you consider this year a failure?
And it went sort of viral because he said, if
you consider just because we lost the championship, do you think it's a
failure? He asked the reporter, he said, at your job, do you
get a raise or a promotion every single year or every
couple of months? No, you don't. But do you consider that a failure every
single time? No, because you got to enjoy the journey.
You're always working towards something, and that's where I see those small little
goals are where it's at, because that gets you on the right track to
where you want to be, to the bigger goals eventually, but it's not the be
all and end all. To win the gold medal, to win the championship, to win
that. The journey is what it's all about, isn't it?
I must admit, I remember watching that and going, that is
just that's spot on, because it is a journey.
You don't want to just not live life until you get where you want to
be. You've got to enjoy the journey, and that's the highs and the lows, and
that's the courage. Previous question, enjoying that
and being able to sit through the hard times, but also the good times
to get where you want to go. So I feel having a vision of where
you want to be is important, but don't get so fixated on a
certain amount of time ahead that you forget what's happening
tomorrow, because that's all you can control. You can only control now.
The past is gone. The future may never happen. We are in the
dungeon at the moment with the dragons and the fairies. Jack fire, baby,
too. We are. This is going to be a short potty. And we're rolling
here, baby. I'll go to the last one, mate.
So, gut instincts, learning to know when a career
relationship situation is right or wrong. I'll
pass that over to you. Great, man.
Discuss.
That's a really interesting one, because I think for me,
I guess I've had relationships in the past where I've, you
know, I've obviously left left them and finished them off and
and then later on or thought had second guesses or second
thoughts and then also footy career, you know, should
I have moved earlier? Should I have done this basketball career? How do you know?
And so, yeah, I guess trusting your gut.
Yeah. I think in the end, if it gets to
a point where, for me,
it comes down to enjoyment. Enjoyment
and how much you're enjoying your life and how much it's affecting you because
there is a balance we can't just have it's not
clouds and rainbows and roses all the time, is it? Dale. You got to put
your head down, bum up occasionally and work hard and go through some stuff
that's not ideal to support your family and
whatever it might be. But at the same
time, if it's affecting your life in such a way, like, that
becomes so negative and it's such a deterrent
to happiness. And I think definitely
your gut kicks in there
and sort of helps you on your way to make that
decision, to move on or
to chase something. I really want that and chase it
hard. I don't know. It's an
interesting one. Trust in your gut when a relationship. Or
yeah, I think
courage and I've mentioned each I think each question was spoken about
today relates back to courage. Courage to believe in
yourself, that what you're feeling is the right thing and that
sometimes, even if people don't agree with you, you
know, in yourself. And I'll go back to my first
marriage, I knew I wasn't right and it wasn't
the right thing and it would have been easier just to stick it
out. But I'm like,
it's not right and people don't agree and you upset people
or different things like that. But that's the short term
sometimes. I always look back at that and I'm
like, I wasn't a good person then. The best
I could be. The situation wasn't right and a lot of my own
doing. It's easier sometimes just to
accept and stay there. Gut feeling, though,
sometimes is really hard and that's why you get rewards
down the track. You won't always see them at the start. And I think that's
the hardest thing when you make a decision like that, like you're saying that with
a relationship or whatever, that you didn't think it was right. But then it's really
hard, so it's easy to go back. And I think that's gut feeling,
like it doesn't feel good. Yeah,
and I think you made such a good point there. Like when it's
comfortable, it's easy to just and it's the same
with so many people at their work or in their
relationships or whatever it might be.
It's comfortable and it's easy, but it's
not optimum, it's not giving you everything. It's not fulfilling and
it's sort of like, okay, but that's a hard
decision because it's so hard huge thing in your life,
your work or your relationship is such a big part of your
life. So ending something there or
leaving your job, it's scary because the future is
unknown, isn't it? And it's like
but yeah, I think your gut instinct
how many times have you sort of hung around in
something for a long, long period when you've had that gut
feeling? Twelve months ago. Yeah. And you haven't done it. You haven't done
it. You haven't done it and you've waited and it's finally twelve months later and
you go, Shit, I wish I did that. And in hindsight, we
spoke about each other week. I'd love a hindsight pill. It'd be amazing.
But sometimes it's easier to validate it. If you just stick
around, it gets worse and worse and worse, and then that's like, oh yeah, it's
easier now to leave. Sometimes, though, you feel it and
you're like, Nah, this isn't right.
Everyone's different though. And then also, I can sort of
see sometimes to stick things out.
Yes. And that's sort of what's a great point.
Sometimes you get through a rough patch and the
gold sort of lies on the other end of that,
which I've certainly experienced myself,
whether it's finishing my master's degree
yeah. My gut, I hated it and this was the most boring thing
ever and am I going to have anything out of it? Anything going to come
of it? But stuck it out. And the sense of pride and
accomplishment that I felt at the end of that was like nothing I'd felt
before. And it doesn't even matter that you're not
using it or anything. That was something that you committed to do, and
you did it so you didn't let yourself down. I think that's and
it's so easy. It's easy to leave so easily because you could have made
any excuse up you wanted. I've got a business
clothes, I just play footy. I've got a good life. I actually
don't need this. But then the moment you quit that, then what else is a
snowball effect of that? They're like, if it gets tough, what else could I just
quit? Because I don't need it? So
I think that's what it comes down to, doesn't it? Is leaving
something? You've got to really think about the
reason you're leaving is it making me miserable?
Is it like actually or
creating a really sort of negative environment in my
life? Or do I just sort of not want to do it? Yeah, is it
too hard? Is it too hard? And they're very different things
100%. And I look at it as is this allowing me to be the
best possible version of a person and a human I can be for
myself and then the people in my life. And
that's when it gets really tough because they're hard
questions. But I think, like we've spoken about with everything
hard questions leave to hard results, to decisions
that end up shaping the person you are if
you allow them to. I think everything comes back to how you reflect.
I think your masters is a great one, mate. Like, how many people
in your situation, particularly you played footy with or in the
AFL that most people start a degree or something like that? How many people
actually finish it? Because I don't need to.
But then I just feel once you quit something
or just because it's hard. That's not gut feeling.
That's sometimes just quitting and it can sneak in yeah.
Aspects. And then it's a snowball effect of different
things. But I think gut feeling around situations or
just are you the best possible version of yourself
in that environment, in that job, in that relationship, wherever you are
in your life? And if you're not, then, yeah, go with your
gut. I don't know. Hope
we've rochelle, how have we gone there? Rochelle, send us
another message. That was going to be a short episode. We've gone
over 50 minutes again. Jacko, isn't it funny? When we started, I think the first
episode was about 1015 minutes. They were talking about
now it's just flowing flows. Yeah. I really enjoy that, like, getting
different perspectives. But again, it comes back. I
think we're very similar in our morals and values.
I just think the more you talk to someone I resonate with
all the things you said there. Yeah. And we've had completely different
upbringings experience, so we are very different.
But I feel like what we're trying to be is quite
similar. We're both trying to head in that similar
direction of who we want to be as people and how we
want to treat others. And it's not always perfect. Neither of us
are perfect. We both make plenty of mistakes. But
I think as we spoke about being open minded and
caring and try and think of others and what they're
going through, can leave him in pretty good stead.
100%. Well, listeners, thank you very much. That's another episode
down. Just to plant the seed, we've
got a Collingwood Superstar premiership player,
very good. Golfer, very good golfer. Hits the ball very
well, very good at most sports.
He is very good. He's a natural sportsman. Good
bloke. I think I'm more fascinated with
his year. She's after that arm.
Arm and in hospital and the infections
and then obviously win the flag. So next week, yeah, we'll have
Jeremy Howe on, which I'm excited to it's
always nice when we can chat someone we both know. Tell you what, the Overly
Excited podcast, we're going to have to be very careful. Just not
let things escalate after this one. Friday morning, we're doing
it. Afternoon. Sun coming in. I've actually got to go into a
keynote in the city, so thank God I'll be leaving you. Thank goodness. But
I'm very excited for that. And I know Jez, he's pretty pumped as
well. He's been a longtime listener, first time caller.
Can't wait to get him on. But anyway, thanks again. Boob.
Runners, message in. And more importantly, at the
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Send him a message, either on his Instagram or ours,
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know I was showing my wife, I'm like, this is
incredible. It's so nice. And
I don't ever undervalue sending a nice message
like that if it's impacting.
It's made me feel really good, mate. I mean, I think the topic of the
pod was courage. And to have the courage. I think
we all probably have those thoughts occasionally, like, oh, I'd love to let that person
but no, they won't want to listen to me. Or they won't want to hear
from me. Hear from you and take the courage.
Use your courage and send us a message because we love it and appreciate it.
So thank you very much. Beautiful. All right, Watsey. Pleasure, mate. Enjoy
the enjoy the fairy.
The butterflies just came back to their stomach.